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    Jan. 26, 2004

     

    evile: Can you believe it's already MONDAY again? How was your
    weekend?
    SkyeDS: painful
    SkyeDS: hence I am going to doctor after work
    evile: Sorry to hear it. But hopefully the Dr. will find something to
    treat.
    SkyeDS: to get prescrip muscle relaxers because auditions for Ex are
    saturdeay and I have to be able to sit a hors
    SkyeDS: e
    evile: That's coming up quick!
    SkyeDS: already know what's wrong with me. form of tendonitis known
    as Repetitive Strain Injury or Cumulative Trauma Disorder.
    evile: yow.
    SkyeDS: tell me about all the fun you had this weekend so I can
    vicariously enjoy :P
    evile: Nothing too exciting. Sweetie went off camping with the VW people
    at Pace Bend, I stayed home. Went to the library. Did laundry &
    dishes. Spent Saturday in front of the fireplace with a nice fire
    going, reading. Went out to Drandmir for a couple hours on Sunday,
    Nothing too exciting.
    SkyeDS: I haven't been to Pace Bend but it allows equestrians
    SkyeDS: tell me about it?
    evile: I've never been to pace Bend. I think they have stables where
    you can rent horses.
    evile: I was after Sweetie for ages to camp out there, and he was always
    like "enh, don't wanna" and then the VW people get the wild hair to
    go out there in the pouring rain, and he's all like "COOL! I'm
    going!". feh.
    SkyeDS: why don't you and I go out there and explore some weekend
    evile: Oh, and I went to the bellydance show at Austin Yoga. Bad
    acoustics--the doumbeks felt like they were drilling through my
    head. I left at intermission. Stephanie was sympathetic; she didn't
    realize sound could be painful like that.
    SkyeDS: sound systems are a minor pet peeve w/ me
    SkyeDS: I have never liked the proclivities of most sound set up
    people to make things too loud for the size of the venue
    evile: Weather is iffy this time of year, but I've got a couple of
    free weekends in Feb. I guess we can play Pace Bend by ear
    SkyeDS: when it
    SkyeDS: s nice
    SkyeDS: you might also like McKinney Roughs
    evile: No amplification, this was just the sound hitting the walls
    and not having anywhere to go.
    SkyeDS: there's a new park in Pflugerville that I've driven through
    but haven't ridden yet
    SkyeDS: and I would like to see Lake Somerville too (but that's way
    far away from you, and close somewhat to me)
    evile: I always forget there are plenty of places to go & things to
    do nearby. I've been trying to get better about that. But my efforts
    are sporadic.
    SkyeDS: well jesus h f'ing christ, it isn't like you don't already
    have enough stuff going on
    evile: I dunno about that. I'm bored most of the time :P
    SkyeDS: came to the conclusion this weekend that it isn't just ergo
    problems, it's the stress level here
    SkyeDS: and the doctor will probably tell me , well, you can do
    whatever drugwise you have to do to stay there, or leave
    SkyeDS: some choice
    evile: Yup. it's not much fun to work in a bad atmopshere. But then
    again it's always nice to have a roof and food and silly stuff like
    that.
    SkyeDS: i have never walked off an assignment without completing it
    SkyeDS: this would not include however the assignments as a sub when
    the class went completely out of control, the top administrators
    couldn't get it back into control, I decided I was moot and
    superfluous and left.
    evile: I can usually put up with just about anything if I have an end-
    date in sight.


    SkyeDS: I hope to gawd this ends in two months and not six. Whereas
    before it started, I wanted it to go as long as possible
    evile: Well, now you have at least one other possibility that may
    turn FT, so I'm sure that has altered your perspective
    SkyeDS: Hugh keeps coming up with possible new projects all of which
    would require me full time
    evile: That would be cool.
    SkyeDS: so I'm going to find some way of gently suggesting to himj
    that he make me a full time offer and I will go against my usual
    method and give IBM two week notice
    evile: Nobody could blame you for ditching a temp gig to go someplace
    full time permanent.
    SkyeDS: just bugs me to leave 20 an hour for 12 or whatever
    SkyeDS: but trips to the doctor and meds will eat up that 20 per
    pretty quickyl
    evile: exactly. Plus what good is it to have a job that pays well
    when you spend your free time sick and miserable because of your job?
    SkyeDS: not to mention being incapacitated on days where I want to
    frolic in the sun and play with my children
    SkyeDS: gmta
    evile: yup.
    SkyeDS: yesterday was so pretty, and I spent it in bed
    SkyeDS: I hate wasting good sunlight
    evile: SUCK!
    evile: I wish I'd paid more attention Sunday...Chris/Keject is 'in
    love'...I bet the object of his affections was one of the 3 gals out
    in the park. (I'm so nosey!)
    SkyeDS: he's a cute kid
    SkyeDS: he has it in hi shead that he's ugly.
    evile: Most teenage boys do.
    SkyeDS: I hope the object of his affections is worthy of those
    affections
    SkyeDS: how are goofy and thax?
    evile: All 3 of the little girls out at the field were perfectly cute.
    SkyeDS: I've seen Lisalotte be weird on Clothier when I pay attention to it
    SkyeDS: and Goofy was downright nasty to me last few times I've seen
    him
    evile: I saw goofy for about 5 seconds, Lisalotte dropped them off and Goof
    went straight to the field to fight after saying 'hi' for a sec. Thax
    was thax.
    SkyeDS: and Thax hasn't behaved like himself lately either (maybe cuz
    of L?)
    evile: L's new habit is apparently to drop them off at the field
    and spend the rest of the day at Northcross playin g Everquest. Thax
    says she didn't get home until after midnight last Sunday night. He
    seemed a little sad/lonely about that. "Playing computer games is no
    way to make babies," I observed.
    SkyeDS: there's a reason they call it EverCrack
    SkyeDS: just noticed that he isn't as jovial or flirty as I remember
    him being
    evile: Joe & I were chatting about that. Suicides over getting your
    EQ treasure stolen or your EQ character killed.
    SkyeDS: but then I wonder if i haven't done something to make Thax
    and Goofy change towards me
    SkyeDS: Goofy is no big loss, but I'm rather fond of Thax
    evile: Other than his comment about L playing EQ till all hours,
    Thax seemed about the same.
    SkyeDS: EQ suicides sound reminiscent of AD&D suicides.
    evile: There's probably more urban legend than reality to it. But
    still sad if even one person did it.
    evile: Humans are such ornery critters. You see perfectly healthy
    able bodied people off themselves for something stupid, and then you
    see people bound to wheelchairs, deaf, blind, whatever, who struggle
    to live just one more day.
    evile: I like L a lot, but her obsessive side is a little much.
    SkyeDS: poor Matt.
    evile: *shrug* Learning slowly but surely to curb my 'Mr Fixit'
    tendencies when it comes to relationships other people have chosen
    for themselves.
    SkyeDS: I've been called Ms. Fixit
    SkyeDS: it wasn't a compliment
    evile: exactly. :P
    SkyeDS: I think it is the way we express our
    maternal/nurturing/protectiveness
    SkyeDS: our maternalness is just not normal maternalness
    evile: Obviously no human relationship is perfect, because humans
    aren't perfect. The thing I try to keep in mind is that these other
    people are adults, they have made their choices, they obviously have
    needs that are being met by these choices, and who am I to second
    guess that?
    SkyeDS: sounds much like what Tom said many times about being an adult
    SkyeDS: I learned more personally an d professionally from him in
    three months than I think I've learned from anyone w/ the possible
    exception of the two piano teachers that raised me and loved me more
    than my mother
    evile: sounds like a smart guy & a good mentor :)
    SkyeDS: I should get in touch with him
    SkyeDS: should have a long time ago.
    evile: *nods* people like that are good to keep.
    SkyeDS: some element in BD keeps complaining to every single monarch
    in succession either about ARthur or the girls
    evile: bizarre.
    SkyeDS: and always alternating as to which of them isn't present at
    the time
    SkyeDS: (to defend themselves by exhibiting their usual exemplary
    behavior)
    SkyeDS: and since the elements I originally suspected have all left,
    that leaves precious few
    SkyeDS: not that BD will be any big loss
    SkyeDS: like SG park better anyway, more interesting place to ride,
    and the SCA group is closer to home and friendlier. So maybe that's
    like a divine hint.
    evile: Seems like there's a mature, adult way to deal with that, that
    isn't being done by any of the people in charge
    SkyeDS: I told Kathleen the new monarch the same thing i told Mimi.
    SkyeDS: put up a nirvana rope and I'll stay outside of it
    SkyeDS: unless you rope off ALL the shade and places to tether the
    horses.
    SkyeDS: Arthur and the girls are ALWAYS restrained. And Arthur is
    NEVER unattended.
    SkyeDS: we have NEVER told people that he doesn't bite (and that's a
    damn stupid question anyway. all animals bite in certain
    circumstances)
    SkyeDS: either that's enough or it isn't.
    SkyeDS: but this "someone I'm not going to name has asked me to say
    something to you" is why I left drandmir
    SkyeDS: I am NOT hard to talk to. they should bring it to me.
    evile: exactly.
    evile: And if the monarch didn't want to mediate between you and
    whoever, they could always put the issue to a vote and let majority
    rule.
    SkyeDS: nods. this would be why there isn't much left of the kingdom
    evile: sad. But that's pretty much to be expected.
    SkyeDS: even if there weren't other HFS kingdoms, and even if there
    weren't Amtgard and the little SCA shire at home, I can wear garb and
    go riding all by myself. I'm just that weird. I don't need a group.
    evile: true, but it's always nice to see friends.
    SkyeDS: aye but i don't want to make the mistake I did with cma
    SkyeDS: staying past when my friends leave
    evile: yup.
    SkyeDS: I joined BD to see aeris, travis, robbie and marcu
    SkyeDS: all of whom are gone now
    SkyeDS: new people I met in BD that I liked seeing have also fled
    (David, Kit - aka WereBear and Vallen)
    evile: That's a long trip & a lot of work to spend time with people
    who would rather not have you &/or your critters around
    SkyeDS: yep
    SkyeDS: and I've got other commitments
    SkyeDS: Excalibur if we make it in
    SkyeDS: Eeyore's
    evile: Excalibur will probably be a big time-eater. I know Scarby
    rehearsals take up every weekend for months before faire even opens.
    SkyeDS: I am not as involved in as many things as you, but i tisn't
    like I don't have other places to be if I look for them
    SkyeDS: nods
    evile: There are always places to go & things to do. Why spend time
    with crappy people?
    SkyeDS: yep
    SkyeDS: and I told Kathleen and Andy both that I get rather tired.
    SkyeDS: no, I don't sign in, what point, I'm color
    SkyeDS: sixth level color, woo fucking hoo
    SkyeDS: and no I don't pay dues or vote
    evile: heh.
    SkyeDS: and no I don't battle game
    SkyeDS: but it isn't like I don't do squat
    SkyeDS: I participate, not ONLY in the HFS< but I represent the HFS
    to the community
    SkyeDS: arguably as much or more than anyone else
    SkyeDS: I go to madrigal, great opportunity for us, and does anyone
    go with me other thna Aeris and sonar0m?
    SkyeDS: no.
    SkyeDS: I go to Ingleside, does anyone go with, no
    SkyeDS: bet no one goes to excalibur either
    SkyeDS: I mean, not with me, not to respresent the HFS
    SkyeDS: and they are none too thrilled with the new money making
    offers for eeyore's either
    evile: Jose & some others went to Excalibur the year I vended.
    There's a photo of them someplace, standing in front of my booth
    SkyeDS: I offer to throw revels and night ditches and what not at my
    place, and no one bothers
    SkyeDS: so I'm tired. from now on, I will post to boards what I'm
    doing, and that's the end of the invites.
    SkyeDS: other than the standing invitations to you and Jinx.
    evile: Yeah, I have that same problem. Not just in HFS, but life in
    general. I used to send out emails to everyone I knew, "hey, here's
    this cool band, here's this awesome performance, here's this great
    restaurant" and nobody ever responded. Now I go alone or I don't go
    at all. Don't bother with any people. You get tired of being ignored.
    SkyeDS: I can't get anyone to participate with me in community
    activities or even go with me to HFS events in other kingdoms. But
    people from time to time follow me to dinner after the park and then
    my nice quiet dinner turns into a circus. because nobody can agree
    on where to go.
    SkyeDS: and then I'm sitting at this table with more than half a
    dozen people, having to play hostess because I feel bad if someone
    looks left out or uncomfortable
    evile: I guess that's my problem. I have already set the schedule for
    the evening, and if people either can't keep up or don't want to do
    what I've already decided to do, I don't give a rat's ass. My way or
    the highway, prett much.
    SkyeDS: nods. I need to grow thicker skin like that. I've needed
    thicker skin since birth.
    evile: Well, it's still hurtful, but it isn't productive to let
    people know they are being hurtful. Because they go "oh, I didn't
    know that I was hurting your feelings" and then the next time the
    situation comes up, they slap me in the face again.
    SkyeDS: I just don't understand why from time to time everyone
    follows me around expecting me to be leader
    SkyeDS: and then when I try to lead by consensus building and
    invitation, it doesn't work
    evile: enh, people suck.
    SkyeDS: and then there's the:
    SkyeDS: I tell people for weeks in advance, hey, I'm going to the X
    Kingdom event in Dallas/SA, wherever, on X date"
    SkyeDS: or hey, I'm going to the YMCA fair taht uses Arthur in tehir
    ads
    SkyeDS: or INgleside or Ex or whatever
    SkyeDS: and then when I'm not at t he park, the next weekend
    SkyeDS: "so where were you? the rumor has it that you quit"
    evile: feh. It would be good if people would actually use any of the
    various calendars available to show events & such.
    SkyeDS: as you have aptly pointed out on more than one occasion, more
    than one "one stop" site is a PITA
    evile: yup.
    evile: I've even tried to share my yahoo calendar with people, and
    that hasn't helped.
    SkyeDS: this stress thing with my neck illsutrates to me that I need
    to do something about my priorities and developing a thicker skin
    SkyeDS: I'd rather have migraines.
    evile: Neither is good.
    evile: Even having a livejournal where I can go in day-by-day and
    say "Here's what I'm going and what I'm doing" I don't get a
    tremendous response, but a little better than emailing people.
    SkyeDS: lol I can't imagine anyone would ever read an online journal
    of mine even if I wrote it
    evile: It's fun. I'm not as compulsive as I used to be in updating &
    tend to keep things more private these days, both to avoid drama on
    the off chance that someone gives a rats ass, and because I realized
    that most people sincerely _don't_
    evile: Again, it seems pointless to make any effort or put anything
    out there when people prove time and again that they are indifferent
    to me, my thoughts, feelings, and doings.
    SkyeDS: letting other people be my mirror = hurt.
    evile: I have my own place to put down my thoughts for my own use, so
    that's where most stuff goes now.
    evile: I got a good book at the library Sunday, re: emotionally
    unavailable people. Was good at identifying behavior, types &
    motivations for different types...but not so good at identifying
    solutions for dealing with the off-the-grid outright indifference I
    seem to encounter
    SkyeDS: knowing wha tthe problem is does not inherently solve it.
    evile: I'm pretty good at dealing with people who have buttons. Push
    button A, get anger. Push button B, get sadness. But I don't know
    what to do with people who have no buttons, or give no response when
    they're pushed.
    SkyeDS: me and my buttons are a mess
    evile: I suspect that I'm also emotionally unavailable, to a certain
    degree. But not to a pathological extent, I don't think.
    SkyeDS: lovely
    SkyeDS: that's going to go over well
    evile: ?
    SkyeDS: BD midreign is the first weekend of Excalibur
    SkyeDS: oh well
    evile: Priorities.
    SkyeDS: we might not make it into the cast anyway
    evile: one is 'for fun' the other is more of a professional
    committment. It wouldn't be any different to miss BD due to having to
    work for Hugh or IBM, I wouldn't think.
    SkyeDS: but I hope we do
    evile: I imagine you will.
    SkyeDS: no reason a gypsy kumpania couldn't have joined robin hood
    (one of the two themes of the fair this year, along with Ivanhoe)
    evile: That's interesting.
    SkyeDS: perhaps they learned like TRF that more restrictive themes =
    less interest
    SkyeDS: TRF early on did not allow any fantasy at all, and now allows
    all sorts of fantastic critters
    SkyeDS: when I went, they wouldn't let me in as the Unicorn, even as
    a patron.
    SkyeDS: I need to remake the ears an dhorn, my poor costume is going
    on 20 years old now
    evile: My last trip to Sharjinka's craft night, I just took all the
    little things that needed done & got them all done. sewed buttons,
    hemmed, etc.
    SkyeDS: all the pieces I need to replace are worn out latex.
    SkyeDS: I don't even remember now where I got the very realistic
    horse ears. the horn is much easier
    evile: There are a couple of places in town that sell liquid latex--
    can that be used?
    SkyeDS: would have to ask sineater
    SkyeDS: but I think the ear pieces are dried and would have to be
    complete replaced
    evile: bummer.
    SkyeDS: but I wonder if he couldn't make a plaster model of them
    evile: I don't see why not.
    evile: I'd be amused to do some pony play with a unicorn instead of a
    regular pony. But that's probably really wrong :P
    SkyeDS: I'm more than happy to donate the costume, but I have no
    particular in interest in pony play myself.
    SkyeDS: I have been led around on a unicorn leash for decades at
    faires now and it gets really old
    evile: I just like the costume, would not care to be led around &
    such.
    SkyeDS: as does pictures with children that want to be on my back or
    shoulders
    evile: eeps! no touchy touchy, evil sprogs!!!
    evile: that's why all my faire-wear is either adult/wenchy or
    evil/scary. No sprogs!
    SkyeDS: lol
    SkyeDS: I seem to draw sprogs
    evile: yecch.
    SkyeDS: some of whom seem to see witch on my forehead
    SkyeDS: and then there are the adults who sense whatever aura I have,
    and act like I'm a poisonous snake that might bite
    SkyeDS: like MIL's priest, and roving bands of born again Hell's
    Angels bikers/evangelicals
    evile: heh.
    SkyeDS: I don't mind attracting the sprogs.
    SkyeDS: I just am in no shape anymore and have no desire anymore to
    let them take pictures on my back or shoulders.
    evile: I only like my freinds' kids. The rest can fuck right off.
    SkyeDS: I'm ok with most kids. except the few that thankfully have
    been exceptions so far. like the snotnosed, unsupervised kids that
    one Easter at McD's
    SkyeDS: sure we told you bout them
    evile: yup.ew.
    evile: There were some nasty little sproggen at Tan Tan last night,
    but I have to give their parents credit; the kids actually ate
    Vietnamese food and didn't complain. They still behaved like
    crackmonkeys, but gotta credit the 'rents for not raising them on a
    mcD's only diet.
    evile: We were out with Max, so it's not like the table manners were
    much better at our table :P
    SkyeDS: lol
    evile: And he's loud, too. But at least Max doesn't stand up and
    scream "nanny nanny boo boo" at us.
    SkyeDS: I remember enjoying Max greatly
    evile: he's a good person.
    evile: In hindsight, I now see that X was after him for a while.
    ew.
    SkyeDS: poor Max
    SkyeDS: too bad she didn't want Kaleon. I know, bite my tongue, that
    would have been beyond nightmarish
    evile: Luckily, Max is more clueless when it comes to relationship
    vibes than I am.
    evile: *laff* she would have taken Kaleon in a heartbeat, if he'd
    shown interest and if there had been some way to do it in my presence
    without betraying the lie of her 'happy monogamous marriage' nonsense
    blather
    evile: Or some way to do it behind my back, which I did not give her
    and neither did Kaelon
    SkyeDS: some people I will never understand...or maybe that's most of
    them
    evile: Unfortunately, she was raised by a lying drug addict and a
    nasty old drunk, so she learned early on that you can't just come out
    and ASK for what you want & need, you have to lie and trick people
    into doing stuff for you.
    SkyeDS: I refer to that as "couldn't come outright and ask for a
    glass of water if dying of thirst in the Sahara, would try to
    manipulate/trick you out of it?
    SkyeDS: err "
    evile: Unfortunately, understanding why people are the way they are
    1) doesn't fix them and 2) doesn't make them people I want to be
    around
    SkyeDS: Raven says that Strega are different and set apart and should
    not want it otherwise
    SkyeDS: and I agree with that
    SkyeDS: I've always agreed that I was separate and apart
    SkyeDS: I've never wanted it any other way, no matter how much my mom
    ragged on me
    SkyeDS: but what I don't understand is, I don't want people to go
    away mad, just to go away
    evile: But it is human primate instinct to be with a pack/herd/tribe.
    SkyeDS: why does separate and apart have to include ostracism and
    persecutionj, is what I don't get
    evile: right.
    evile: The other side of the tribe mentality, really.
    SkyeDS: there was a time when the wise ones and the shamans were not
    persecuted for being separate and apart
    evile: But they didn't really exist completely apart, either.
    evile: They just had a very specialized function within the group
    that precluded participating in most of the normal tribe's daily
    stuff.
    SkyeDS: nods
    evile: brb - time to nuke some lunch.
    evile: back.
    SkyeDS: wb
    evile: I spent the extra buck & got the *really* mixed stirfry
    veggies. Good stuff.
    SkyeDS: sounds like
    SkyeDS: I hope we're closer to a microwave when we move
    evile: mushrooms, baby corn, carrots, bamboo shoots, broccoli, snow
    peas, squash & zucchini.
    SkyeDS: but I think it's in an entirely different building (which
    would be even worse than it is now). So I brink ham/cheese/crackers
    so I don't have to use fridge or nuke
    evile: Our unit pitched in & got a microwave that's back by my
    supervisor's desk. It's nicer than the nasty crap-encrusted ones in
    the break room. Not really any closer, but nicer.
    evile: totally OT - does your Enell have underwire?
    SkyeDS: no
    evile: shit.
    SkyeDS: Skye don't do underwire
    evile: I can't live without underwire.
    SkyeDS: no dearth of good underwire sources, no doubt
    SkyeDS: and i don't know that all enell's don't have them, just the
    supersize enell that I wear doesn't
    evile: sports bras dont' seem to have underwire or proper bra-type
    sizing.
    evile: Tina was telling me about hers that did and I can't think of
    the brand name. She said she got it at evil w-lm-rt
    evile: if/when my finances straighten out, I'm taking English riding
    lessons. Dont' want to damage the goods in the process :P
    SkyeDS: nods. my friend Traci teaches. She trains with the Olympic
    team coaches.
    evile: I don't think it's ever going to really happen, but the ride
    in France I want to do uses 'english trekking' saddles, whatever
    those are. I figure I can brush up on regular riding, take English
    riding lessons, and probably do OK
    SkyeDS: posting seems to me to be the hardest part of English riding
    SkyeDS: and I ride bareback, which requires posting sans stirrups
    evile: posting seems really pointless to me. sit down and go is about
    my speed. :P
    evile: Then again, I'm a proud graduate of the 'sack of potatoes'
    school of riding, so...what can I say? I don't know much other than
    which end to pet and which end to avoid.
    evile: The rest is clever fakery.
    SkyeDS: if you learn to be comfortable without a saddle, you won't
    have a problem in any kind of saddle.
    evile: not true. Keeping my feet properly positioned in stirrups
    kills my knees. Just me sitting on a horse and not falling off does
    not hurt.
    SkyeDS: but should not be problematic to find someone who can teach
    you the rudiments of riding English
    evile: There are several stables in & around Austin that offer
    lessons, plus ACC and UT "informal class" catalogs usually offer at
    least one riding selection per semester.
    SkyeDS: and if you acquire a used saddle with which to practice, you
    have access to horses on which to practice
    evile: no point in me owning a saddle of my own--storage space issues
    evile: The Chenonceau trip is for 14 riders, 13 are english trekking
    saddle, and 1 western. I'd hate to be the nob who ended up having to
    use the western :)
    evile: It'd be like riding the tour de france on the only bike with
    training wheels or something...
    SkyeDS: but you are already accustomed to the western <shrug>
    evile: No reason I couldn't become accustomed to English. Plus I need
    to brush up on riding skills in general, anyway if I end up being
    able to swing the France trip.
    evile: I rode English a tiny little bit when I was a kid. My aunt
    Cora let us all have a turn on her spiffy English saddle, but of
    course it was too nice to just turn us kids loose to go off into the
    pasture with it.
    SkyeDS: Tracie commented after watching me ride bareback that I
    shouldn't have any problem learning English.
    evile: nah, not if you go bareback a lot. The issue I think a lot of
    people have in going western to english is that the saddle is too
    small & light & doesn't have enough stuff to hang onto.
    SkyeDS: stirrup length
    SkyeDS: only thing that keeps you in the saddle are the muscles twixt
    knees and thighs
    SkyeDS: vastly affected by how long/short stirrups are
    evile: are english stirrups longer or shorter?
    SkyeDS: shorter
    evile: ew. more knee owies
    SkyeDS: and stirrups are technically a crutch
    SkyeDS: so they shouldn't matter
    SkyeDS: but they do
    SkyeDS: the oh shit handle is also a crutch
    SkyeDS: and on an english saddle, there is no oh shit handle, merely
    an oh shit strap
    evile: I got hollered at last time I tried to ride without having my
    feet in the stirrups. (not with you, elsewhere)
    SkyeDS: so things you could do, in the meanwhile, would be to ride
    western, minus stirrups at all, and learn to post bareback.
    SkyeDS: I ride without the stirrups frequently, I wouldn't fuss at
    you for it
    evile: I'm so out of shape & out of practice & probably have a few
    bad habits I picked up, I probably should start from scratch &
    pretend like I dont' know anything.
    SkyeDS: if you change your mind about wandering around in a small
    round pen bareback let me know.
    evile: thanks ;)
    evile: Maybe that in conjunction with formal lessons...
    SkyeDS: one of the things you'll hear in English lessons
    is "independent seat"
    SkyeDS: best way to accomplish that as far as whisperers are
    concerned (me included) is to start out bareback
    SkyeDS: rather than saving bareback for Advanced/Level IV instruction
    evile: right.
    evile: *sigh* First things first: see how the finances shake out
    after turning in the leaser & doing my taxes.
    SkyeDS: which reminds me, I need to let Manpower know to send my
    forms to my new address.
    evile: yeah. That's important :)
    SkyeDS: brb

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