Jun. 15th, 2005

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    Jun. 15, 2005

     

     

    http://www.oprah.com/health/omag/health_omag_200204_energy.jhtml

    ENERGY VAMPIRES
    by Judith Orloff, MD


    Some people bring unexpected lightness and comfort to your life.
    They crackle with energy, practically electrify you with their
    presence. And then there are those who leave you feeling stressed
    out. Or guilty. Or exhausted down to your very last molecule. I call
    them energy vampires, and obnoxious or meek, they come in all forms.
    The sob sister, for one, always considers herself the victim. The
    world is always against her, and she'll recount every horrible thing
    that has happened to her, wallowing in every perceived slight. The
    charmer is a constant talker or joke-teller who has to be the center
    of attention. The blamer, on the other hand, doles out endless
    servings of guilt. And then there's the drama queen, the co-worker
    who claims she almost died from a high fever or the neighbor who
    lives in extremes of emotion—life is unbelievably good or
    horrifically bad.

    No matter which type of energy vampire you're dealing with, you're
    allowed to walk away. Many of us find this really hard to do. We're
    afraid of being thought of as impolite; we don't want to offend
    people. But there are plenty of ways to remove yourself from a
    killing conversation. When leaving isn't an option, you can still
    maintain your energy level by making a few minor adjustments.

    Recognize the Signs
    One of the first things to do is to recognize when you're being
    drained, and that begins with tuning in to your physical reactions.
    Is there a tightening in your chest when a certain person enters the
    conversation? Do you feel tired when you hang up the phone after
    speaking with someone? Does your head ache, or do you feel what I
    call "slimed" when another guest at a cocktail party starts talking
    to you?

    Take a Deep Breath
    The moment you feel zapped—or hemmed in, or stressed out—I recommend
    taking a breath. Breathing is a wonderful way to center yourself.
    Just follow the breath and tell yourself that you know what's
    happening and you can deal with it. It's important to remember our
    individual power. I know from working with patients that we can lose
    it easily. The minute somebody comes in who's bossy or blaming, we
    feel diminished and tense up. If we can focus on the breath, or on an
    image of a striking sunset or a view from a mountaintop, the tension
    will drift away.

    Use Your Energy
    You can also use some of your own subtle energy to counter the
    effects of an energy vampire. Visualize a protective white light
    around you: an energy shield. You can still hear the person who's
    yelling at you or blaming you or pushing herself into your sphere,
    but she won't cut into you so viscerally anymore. You've created a
    buffer zone, where her negative influences can dissipate.

    Set Boundaries
    Setting boundaries is another way of protecting yourself; you draw a
    line saying, for instance, "This is what I can do for you, and this
    is what I can't." You don't have to convince the vampire of the
    rightness of your stance. Getting defensive simply adds to the
    negative charge of the encounter. You want to remain neutral. When
    someone starts pushing your buttons, and you start sizzling inside,
    you've got to make the decision not to react.

    Step Back
    I also suggest you step back and think about what type of people
    aggravate you, because I believe that one law of energy is that we
    attract what we haven't yet worked out in ourselves. If I'm a very
    angry person, I'll find myself surrounded by angry people. By paying
    attention to the people who seem so draining, you might discover
    something you need to address. It has been my experience that once
    you've worked through a particular issue, you're no longer worn out
    by that kind of energy vampire. And the vampires, robbed of a source,
    move on to more easily drainable audiences.

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    sounds crappy all 'round.

    Gemini Horoscope for week of June 16, 2005

    Here's your question for the week: What's the difference between
    deluded self-esteem that leads you to waste your time on impossible
    dreams and well-justified self-esteem that inspires you to seek a
    viable goal that's beyond your previous level of accomplishment? An
    example of the first is the Louisiana State University student who
    declared himself eligible for the National Basketball Association's
    draft, although he wasn't even good enough to play on his college
    team. An example of the second is my talented musician friend Allie,
    who made a demo CD in her home studio and brazenly sent it to a big
    record company executive, who liked it so much he signed her to a
    recording contract.

    Taurus Horoscope for week of June 16, 2005

    Taurus musician Willie Nelson is a premier talent. Though described
    as a country artist, he's really a genre unto himself. During his 50-
    year career, he has written and recorded many great songs,
    collaborated with Bob Dylan and Paul Simon, and founded Farm Aid, an
    organization that raises funds to support family farms. Recently,
    however, he suffered a disappointment. Republican state senators in
    Texas shot down a bill that would have named a 49-mile patch of
    highway after him. They had a problem with the fact that Nelson
    smokes pot, is an exuberant consumer of alcohol, and supports
    Democratic candidates. Sound familiar, Taurus? You, too, are in
    danger of being cheated out of your rightful rewards because of some
    minor problems. Nelson didn't protest his deprivation, but I think
    you should fight yours.

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    evile: I'm back :) Greencastle was....Greencastle. But it was nice to
    see everyone.
    SkyeDS: how's [sister H]?
    evile: Doing well :)
    SkyeDS: I was a little disturbed when I saw the bad weather in
    Indiana from the hurricane.
    evile: *nod* It was pretty dramatic rain & lightning, but we were
    fine.
    SkyeDS: I'm glad
    evile: [G/Dad] likes to sit on the porch and watch the storms.
    SkyeDS: I remember being disappointed for a decade or so that Austin
    doesn't have spectacular lightning shows like Texarkana did. I like
    to watch them from safe vantage points.
    evile: yup. Me too.
    SkyeDS: Rockdale has spectular lightning shows. can also see the
    stars better. Must be an urban thing.
    evile: *nod*
    evile: Sweetie went fishing in the gulf while I was gone. He got seasick
    and didn't catch anything. But he does want to go back to the beach
    sometime this summer.
    SkyeDS: I told our evergrowing little group I wanted to spend time in
    the water as well as on horse this summer, and they were all agreed
    that we will drag each other hither
    evile: *nod*
    SkyeDS: swim party after drandmir next sunday
    SkyeDS: can't find my damn suit
    evile: having D, the kids,and [cousin B] all here for the summer is going to
    mean we spend a lot of time playing in the water.
    SkyeDS: big open field next to the apt complex, hopefully good place
    to tie the children in the meanwhile
    evile: hope so.
    evile: I have way too much to do before D gets here. And there's a
    party Friday and another one Saturday.
    SkyeDS: Saturday = take white truck to get brakes done - a once a
    year occurrence (3 years for most peoples) and go to Home Despot to
    get materials for toy making
    evile: cool.
    SkyeDS: I entered the boys in the most expensive competition this
    year, and they need to practice
    evile: *fingers crossed* sounds like fun :)
    SkyeDS: 8 hour round trip to tyler tx not really, but the rest,
    hopefully
    evile: *nod*
    SkyeDS: and we might get paid jousting jobs at 4 winds so that would
    be cool
    evile: that would be :)
    SkyeDS: Malikai aka Prophet aka Steve invited us, and I am always
    knockdown tickled when someone cool invites us to anything
    evile: *nod*
    SkyeDS: I didn't have the courage to tell the Mayor of Milano when I
    ran into him and his wife unexpectedly that we couldn't make their
    parade this year
    SkyeDS: that was bad of me
    evile: aw.
    SkyeDS: I need to call his office, get the address, and write a
    formal note.
    evile: *nod*
    evile: I didn't realize Steve was in charge of anything at 4 Winds.
    SkyeDS: he isn't.
    SkyeDS: he told me to contact who was
    evile: Oh, Ok then.
    SkyeDS: but I wouldn't have known anything about it if he hadn't made
    the effort to think of us and say hey, I'm doing this, wanna go with?
    evile: *nod*
    evile: there's another new faire starting up near DFW, Ravens Loft or
    something. They have a yahoo group but no website. I don't think
    they'll make it, but it could be a good 1-time gig for y'all. Another
    for the resume.
    SkyeDS: I'm sorry Hawkwood didn't make it. Great site, great hours.
    evile: yeah.
    SkyeDS: little gigs are great for resume and don't put us in danger
    of losing love for the game in order to profit by it.
    SkyeDS: I learned my lesson the hard way about that very early in
    life.
    evile: yup
    evile: Anyway, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ravensloft_faire/
    SkyeDS: tante grazie :D
    evile: sure. :) Assuming it actually happens, and on a weekend I can
    go, I'd like to check it out.
    SkyeDS: how long did it take them to approve you
    evile: them?
    evile: Oh, ravensloft. Like...a day or so, I guess.
    evile: it's pretty busy, several messages a day.
    SkyeDS: wasn't able to do crw because I already had something planned
    the last Saturday of August
    evile: *nod*
    SkyeDS: on the other hand, if we get accepted into a renfaire I'd
    rather do that than a chamber of commerce thing
    SkyeDS: even if the chamber of commerce thing might net me new
    business
    SkyeDS: it didn't last year.
    evile: I haven't been reading long enough to know exactly when ravens
    loft is going to be.
    SkyeDS: last two weekends of august
    evile: oh. OK. All I got was "Target Opening date is Fall 2005"
    SkyeDS: I googled it, and ended up with both red river faire and
    raven's loft
    SkyeDS: and found a post you made, lol
    SkyeDS: red river is the same weekend as elfsea
    SkyeDS: and very much further away
    SkyeDS: however if we get paid...
    evile: Oh, OK, I didn't remember posting anything.
    SkyeDS: you posted a question about ravensloft and someone named
    otter responded
    SkyeDS: I dont' remember where
    SkyeDS: google ravensloft faire and you'll fi nd it
    evile: Oh, that wasn't in ravensloft yahoo group, that was in
    otterpond, or whatever.
    SkyeDS: I haven't been accepted to RL yahoo group yet
    evile: OK. sometimes the newsgroups are google-able even if you're
    not a group member
    SkyeDS: apparently so. got to be careful bout what you put in
    writing ;).
    evile: yup
    SkyeDS: I remember a big hullabaloo over the fearsome four finding
    something in Sharjinka's LJ apparently through a perfectly innocent
    google search
    evile: *nod*
    SkyeDS: did you see what I posted for your benefit and onyxlynxx's in my
    LJ yesterday?
    evile: saw it. you & I have already discussed this via ICQ, and I
    feel like I've said all that is productive to say. Whatever goes
    forward from this should be between you and Nikiyoy
    SkyeDS: right
    SkyeDS: that was my final word on it, and I thought you might like to
    know, because as far as I'm concerned, that's the end of that
    evile: *nod*
    SkyeDS: I wanted to ease whatever awkwardness was there.
    evile: *shrug* this shouldn't be a 'my friends vs her friends' gang
    style encounter, and as far as I'm concerned it's not going to be.
    SkyeDS: it made onyxlynxx feel better, and that was a good thing.
    evile: good.
    SkyeDS: was hoping it would help you rest easier too
    evile: We talked it out in ICQ already.
    SkyeDS: nods, but the last I remember you saying was the word awkward
    SkyeDS: so I wanted no more awkward
    evile: *turns off teh switch* Better?
    SkyeDS: if that was the awkward switch yes.
    evile: sorry I don't work that way...but if people will quit poking
    hte sore spot it will eventually heal on its own.
    SkyeDS: I think accepting an apology is necessary to start healing a
    sore spot. Shouldn't leave one hanging, you either accept it or not.
    evile: it is/was between YOU and NIKIyoy. you and Nikiyoy have traded
    apologies, it's over. Quit trying to prod me about it. I like you
    both, it bothered me that you were at odds, give me a while and I'll
    get over it.
    evile: (this is me trying to disengage and change the subject,
    please do NOT back me into a corner. bygones. over. no more.)
    SkyeDS: fine, whatever
    evile: I will not pick sides, I willnot fight with youon her behalf,
    i will not fight with her on your behalf. It was between you and her.
    SkyeDS: fine whatever = disengaging
    evile: there is/was nothing to apologize to *me* for.
    SkyeDS: I don't remember offering an apology
    evile: there is/was nothing to post to LJ to me about, then.
    SkyeDS: I remember accepting an apology offered to me, because I feel
    it necessary to accept one or not, but not leave one hanging, the
    person who apologized deserves as much
    evile: *nod* that was graciously done.
    SkyeDS: and because you mentioned things being awkward, I thought
    they might be less awkward if you were aware of said acceptance
    SkyeDS: it was, as stated, merely an FYI, requiring no response on
    your part, I just wanted to be sure you saw it
    evile: Ok. saw it. let's talk about something else now.
    SkyeDS: again, fine, whatever.
    evile: I had a nice 4 day weekend, a nice trip to Indiana & a good
    visit w/my folks. Definitely a good way to step back and re-assess my
    priorities in life.
    SkyeDS: I'm sorry if I miscommunicated what I was after there, I
    wanted a simple yes or no, you saw the fyi or you didn't.
    SkyeDS: no discussion was intended.
    evile: I saw it. I didn't feel any post on LJ was needed because you
    and I had discussed it on ICQ already.
    SkyeDS: I didn't expect a post
    evile: Ok.
    SkyeDS: boss gone, time to eat, brb
    evile: OK

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    she was n/a from about 12:30 to 3:57. I sent her this and logged off:
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    evile: Well, It's time for me to go and you're not back from
    lunch...so I'm going to have to leave you with this thought: You'd
    think that with as many pleasant, happy-making interests we have in
    common, we could stick to talking about those. I hope so, anyway. I
    don't want to upset you any more than you want to upset me.
    Anyway...hopefully we can talk tomorrow.

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    evile: hey :) I was so glad to read that ArgonEric and Kirby had such a
    nice time...but now they are second guessing and worrying. I want to
    smack them both! :P
    Sharjinka: I know what you mean. Three hours! That's really good.
    I can't imagine talking to anyone for three hours over dinner.
    Sharjinka: I think that's a really good sign.
    evile: I know! Me too. I just told them both to keep communicating,
    and not to assume the worst right off the bat!
    Sharjinka: I saw that. I did the same in an e-mail to ArgonEric. He's so
    worried and he really LIKES her. It's like watching school kids
    date. ;-)
    evile: I know. They've both been hurt, and they act from past
    experience rather than what's going on right now...I hope they'll
    work through it and keep communicating.
    Sharjinka: I do too.
    evile: I love my friends; they all deserve to be loved and happy.
    Sharjinka: I AGREE!!
    Sharjinka: Andrea isn't talking to me. It's been kind of nice. ;-)
    evile: Awesome :)
    Sharjinka: :-D
    evile: I had a really great talk with my stepdad on the way from the
    airport; it really strengthened my resolve not to give any more of my
    energy to those types of people in life.
    Sharjinka: I know what you mean.
    Sharjinka: I've noticed some of the kids don't talk to me anymore and
    that does make me sad. I don't want to be nasty but I have to wonder
    if she said anything to them.
    evile: You are better than that. Keep being your sterling self and
    eventually the shine will wear off the other and they'll realize that
    the base metal underneath isn't worth it...know what I mean?
    Sharjinka: Yes. It's happened before. I'm here if they have
    questions or want someone to listen. (Chris is still the same, but
    Jubilee was staring at me like I was some odd alien creature this
    weekend.)
    evile: Jubilee is very (insanely) protective of Andrea, for whatever
    reasons.
    Sharjinka: Insane is a good choice of words.... *TIRED*
    evile: she threatened to "lynch" my friend Niki.
    Sharjinka: I saw that. I thought she went overboard....
    evile: Me too. Her first reply was fine, and if it had been left
    there, it would have been fine. but the response to Niki's apology
    was obscene.
    Sharjinka: I thought so too. Rubbing someone's face in like that.
    That was just uncalled for.
    evile: You know...when someone says something to you, you're entitled
    to be mad, or even think of terrible things to do to them, but you
    are NOT entitled to sic your friends on them, or create a situation
    where one group of friends fights another. It should be between Niki
    an Andrea,and Andrea is trying ot turn it into 'my friends vs your
    friends'
    evile: Oh well. No more energy to that situation. I have a good life,
    good friends, good job, wonderful sweetie, great house, health, love,
    happiness....and thats where my focus should be.
    Sharjinka: I couldn't believe that myself. *sigh* I agree. We both
    have the good life. :-)
    evile: I'm so proud of Niki for staying above the fray. She and I
    talked it through and she understands the tactics being used and
    agrees not to give it any more of her energy. I know it hurt her,
    especially to be called names by sineater, but there is not any way to
    salvage the situation, so best to walk away.
    Sharjinka: I thought it was very mature of her too. I was angry at
    sineater for a while, I admit that.
    Sharjinka: I wanted to write something but I was afraid it was just
    add to the fire....
    Sharjinka: I never apologized to Patrick online because I knew he
    would rub my nose in it. I offered to talk to him in person two or
    three times and he turned me down.
    evile: A very wise man once said "With a Self Righteous Skank, you'd
    have better chance of driving a
    rubber nail into a two-by-four than pounding into their thick skulls
    that something is wrong,and that *they're not being persecuted
    because they're mystically noble, they're being harangued because
    their behavior is appalling."
    Sharjinka: What a wise man! ;-)

    evile: yup.
    Sharjinka: On a much lighter and happier note, JG and I were talking
    about seeing Batman Begins on Thursday or Friday. Would you be
    interested in joining us?
    Sharjinka: We need to move away from the WoW addiction!

    evile: eeps....maybe Thursday. I was thinking of going to Fajita
    night Thursday evening, but didn't have any solid plans yet. Isn't
    Steve's party Friday?
    Sharjinka: Yeah....we were thinking an earlier show.....
    Sharjinka: We can try for Thursday though.
    evile: Oh, well, we could go to the movie and then Steve's party, if
    we could get to the theatre early enough. It's your idea, do what you
    prefer to do :)
    Sharjinka: I'll probably send out an announcement to the Drandmir
    list when we get it sorted out.
    evile: *nod* cool.
    Sharjinka: :-) Poor Pip. I need to go by the vet for him. He has
    dandruff!!! ;-)
    evile: oh, poor doggie!
    Sharjinka: I'm kind of relieved. I thought he had fleas but it turns
    out to just be slightly uncomfortable doggie dandruff. That's why
    I'm reading the Greyhounds for Dummies book. It had recommendations
    on what to do. Vets have a special shampoo / conditioner mix for
    it. I just need to pick it up.
    Sharjinka: It should clear up in three to six weeks. :-D
    evile: sounds like fun!
    Sharjinka: It's not bad at all. It's not all over the house or
    anything. Jonathan noticed it at the park on Sunday.
    Sharjinka: I also have some questions on how to bathe a big dog. We
    always had little dogs and I'm not sure how it works with big dogs.
    Sharjinka: Do you bathe them outside or do you put them in the tub or
    what??
    evile: depends on the dog, I think.
    Sharjinka: I've already noticed he doesn't like water. The dummy
    pee'd on his front leg and I got the hose out before I let him in the
    house and he didn't like it.
    evile: then probably outside, with his leash tied to something.
    otherwise he'll be jumping out of the tub and making a giant mess in
    the house shaking off water everywhere.
    Sharjinka: Okay. :-) I think I know how I'm going to do this. At
    least, it's hot outside. I don't have to worry about him catching
    cold.
    Sharjinka: Book suggests the tub because of the outdoor
    temperatures. They don't have body fat and don't handle extreme
    temperatures well. This is going to be a wrestling match.... ;-)
    evile: yup. I used to wash our golden retriever in the tub, but she
    got arthritis and it got too hard for her to get in and out of the
    tub. So then we went to the backyard. and then I had to keep her from
    running off to her favorite patch of dirt while she was still wet!
    Sharjinka: Wheee!!!!!
    evile: I always wore my swimsuit when washing the dog. just easier
    that way.
    Sharjinka: I think I'll do that too.....
    Sharjinka: I have a feeling I'm going to get wet.....
    evile: yup!
    Sharjinka: Oh, well.
    evile: welcome to dog ownership :P
    Sharjinka: YAY..... wow....
    evile: I know...it's a lot of responsibility & work, too.
    Sharjinka: I know. I'm glad I was a bit prepared going in. :-)
    Sharjinka: I put off adopting a dog for a long time because I wanted
    to make sure my home was okay for it.
    evile: it definitely helps to be as prepared as possible...especially
    the big dog
    Sharjinka: Yep, yep.
    evile: A. is still after me about the whole Nikiyoy thing. I don't
    know what the fuck she wants from me.
    Sharjinka: Why??? Did you talk to her about it???
    evile: on ICQ
    evile: SkyeDS: did you see what I posted for your benefit and Onyxlynxx's
    in my LJ yesterday?
    evile: saw it. you & I have already discussed this via ICQ, and I
    feel like I've said all that is productive to say. Whatever goes
    forward from this should be between you and Nikiyoy
    SkyeDS: right

    Sharjinka: Smart thing to say.
    evile:
    SkyeDS: that was my final word on it, and I thought you might like to
    know, because as far as I'm concerned, that's the end of that
    evile: *nod*
    SkyeDS: I wanted to ease whatever awkwardness was there.
    evile: *shrug* this shouldn't be a 'my friends vs her friends' gang
    style encounter, and as far as I'm concerned it's not going to be.
    SkyeDS: it made onyxlynxx feel better, and that was a good thing.
    evile: good.

    Sharjinka: I really don't like her pulling others into her
    discussions with others.
    evile: nope. I hate it. And I am NOT picking up sides. I just wish
    she'd understand that some of my friends aren't going ot like her,
    and that's just life, and I"'m not going to pick sides and fight with
    anyone.
    Sharjinka: It just seems like such a....uhm....defamation of
    character thing.
    evile: exactly.
    evile: SkyeDS: was hoping it would help you rest easier too
    evile: We talked it out in ICQ already.
    SkyeDS: nods, but the last I remember you saying was the word awkward
    SkyeDS: so I wanted no more awkward
    evile: *turns off teh switch* Better?
    SkyeDS: if that was the awkward switch yes.
    evile: sorry I don't work that way...but if people will quit poking
    hte sore spot it will eventually heal on its own.
    evile: SkyeDS: I think accepting an apology is necessary to start
    healing a sore spot. Shouldn't leave one hanging, you either accept
    it or not.
    evile: it is/was between YOU and NIKIyoy. you and Nikiyoy have traded
    apologies, it's over. Quit trying to prod me about it. I like you
    both, it bothered me that you were at odds, give me a while and I'll
    get over it.

    Sharjinka: HeeHee...
    Sharjinka: She is somewhat annoying and persistent about it!
    evile: yup.
    evile: After all her boo hoo about how you wouldn't stop bothering
    her about the horses, when she wanted to disengage, then she does the
    same to m e.
    evile: evile: (this is me trying to disengage and change the
    subject, please do NOT back me into a corner. bygones. over. no more.)
    SkyeDS: fine, whatever
    evile: vile: I will not pick sides, I willnot fight with youon her
    behalf, i will not fight with her on your behalf. It was between you
    and her.
    SkyeDS: fine whatever = disengaging
    evile: there is/was nothing to apologize to *me* for.
    SkyeDS: I don't remember offering an apology
    evile: there is/was nothing to post to LJ to me about, then.
    SkyeDS: I remember accepting an apology offered to me, because I feel
    it necessary to accept one or not, but not leave one hanging, the
    person who apologized deserves as much
    evile: evile: *nod* that was graciously done.
    SkyeDS: and because you mentioned things being awkward, I thought
    they might be less awkward if you were aware of said acceptance
    SkyeDS: it was, as stated, merely an FYI, requiring no response on
    your part, I just wanted to be sure you saw it
    evile: Ok. saw it. let's talk about something else now.
    SkyeDS: again, fine, whatever.
    evile: evile: I had a nice 4 day weekend, a nice trip to Indiana & a
    good visit w/my folks. Definitely a good way to step back and re-
    assess my priorities in life.
    SkyeDS: I'm sorry if I miscommunicated what I was after there, I
    wanted a simple yes or no, you saw the fyi or you didn't.
    SkyeDS: no discussion was intended.
    evile: I saw it. I didn't feel any post on LJ was needed because you
    and I had discussed it on ICQ already.
    SkyeDS: I didn't expect a post
    evile: Ok.
    SkyeDS: boss gone, time to eat, brb
    evile: OK

    evile: dumb bitch.
    evile: I really don't have any idea what she wants/wanted from me.
    Sharjinka: Really!
    Sharjinka: I can't believe anyone can drag something out like that!
    evile: I''m not going to applaud and tell her what a great person she
    is for accepting an apology (after siccing her friends on Nikiyoy  first)
    evile: And especially since the acceptance was so completely
    ungracious and cut and pasted from some self-help blather somewhere.
    Sharjinka: I totally agree and like I said...I knew Patrick's friends
    would tear me apart so I refused to do it. I was only an arrogant
    bitch for not apologizing publicly to him. I can live with that. ;-)
    evile: exactly. I hate it when people shove your words back in your
    teeth when you're trying to make things right. Fuck that and fuck
    them.
    Sharjinka: Absolutely! :-)
    evile: I'm not going to tell her she's right. I'm not going to tell
    her what a great person she is. I'm not going to take her side
    against Nikiyoy's. It's not between me and her, it's betwen her and
    Nikiyoy, and I don't want to hear about it, but that's all she fuckin'
    wants to talk about.
    Sharjinka: That would annoy me so much. I remember she annoyed me so
    much, I told her I had to run errands and I got out of ICQ for the
    rest of the day.
    evile: to me when you get to the point where some of your friends
    don't like other of your friends, you just DONT TALK ABOUT the
    people that they don't like...makes sense to me.
    Sharjinka: I know. I have trouble NOT talking about CB to his
    friends. I try really hard not to trash talk about him in front of
    his friends but it does hurt sometimes. *sigh* Older = slightly
    more mature
    evile: yup. seems to me that when you have a lot of positive things
    and good friends in common, it would just be easier to talk about
    those, and not dwell on the unpleasant stuff.
    Sharjinka: I can be immature when my feelings are hurt. I've noticed
    I can still be petty about it. I just try not to be petty to his
    friends. They are so nice in that they are sympathetic about it.
    evile: *nod*
    evile: I'm sympathetic too...Nikiyoy nevrer should have said what she
    said...but the response she got was like shooting a biting mosquito
    with a machine gun. Neither were in the right.
    Sharjinka: One girl even told me it hurts worse to be rejected by a
    nice guy because it makes you wonder what is wrong with you when a
    nice guy doesn't want you. She understood exactly how I felt and
    she felt that CB was really missing out. I thought that was
    extremely nice of her to say.
    Sharjinka: That's true. The response to it was terrible.
    evile: that really was!
    Sharjinka: Overkill!!!!
    evile: yup.
    evile: very poor behavior on everyon'es part, I was very disappointed
    in everyone.
    evile: But Nikiyoy apologized and got over it...and apparently sineater is
    over it, so the only person still crazed is skye_ds...and it's just
    getting old.
    Sharjinka: She always seems to behave like this. I wish she'd move
    on.
    evile: nope. It just isn't in her. She just keeps doing the same shit
    over and over, wherever she goes. I can't believe those closest to
    her can't see the cycle ofb ehavior.
    Sharjinka: I know I did but I tried to be somewhat friendly. I
    didn't like how she handled situations though.
    evile: Me neither.
    Sharjinka: *sigh* I was very happy to lose contact with her for
    several years.
    evile: yup. Hopefully she'll get sucked into SCA and won't do HFS
    anymore. It's that whole big fish/small pond thing, though..she feels
    more rare & important at HFS than she is at SCA.
    Sharjinka: It seems to me she's ignored in both groups.
    evile: as much as people can, yeah.
    Sharjinka: I'm surprised she doesn't pick up on that.
    evile: neither she and sineater are particularly good at picking up
    social cues.
    evile: I've always suspected sineater was mildly autistic. Aspergers,
    maybe.
    evile: I've seen her start talking, keep talking for the longest
    time, people start looking away and starting other conversations and
    she keeps telling her story long after no one is making eye contact
    or looking at her.
    Sharjinka: Yeah....social cues seem very difficult for them.
    Sharjinka: I've done that to her. I've even looked at her and
    said "please excuse me...I have to go."
    evile: For her, I don't think it's autism, but...who knows. She's
    very into 'performing' rather than 'interacting'. Even when you nod
    and try to say something along the lines of what she's talking about,
    she doesn't respond, she just starts another story.
    evile: talking online with her is easier, because then at least I
    have the illusion that she's 'listening' or paying attention to what
    I have to say, instead of just putting on a show.
    Sharjinka: I've noticed that.
    Sharjinka: That's why MOST of HFS doesn't really talk to her.
    evile: it's frustrating. We have things in common, you'd think we'd
    be able to get along and do stuff together, but we can't.
    Sharjinka: It's certainly NOT your fault. She's just not somebody
    you can do that with. As you said, she's a performer. She doesn't
    even try to get along with others in a social give and take kind of
    way.
    evile: I know what sineater and sonar0m think they get out of it, I just
    cant' see why Jubilee hangs around.
    Sharjinka: Jubilee doesn't have the best home life and she respects
    strong female figures.
    Sharjinka: She also latches on loyally to people.
    evile: that's really too bad.
    evile: loyalty is a wonderful quality. But it's good if what you're
    loyal to is worth that loyalty.
    Sharjinka: Yeah.... She also doesn't seem to think a situation
    through thoroughly.
    evile: *nod*
    Sharjinka: Blindly loyal and devoted....
    evile: I guess she's a drama junkie, too. So being around someone who
    is so strongly polarized is probably a good source for her.
    Sharjinka: She is fairly dramatic.
    evile: yup.
    Sharjinka: *sigh*
    evile: yup.
    evile: there aren't many strong women at HFS. Thats why A. finds such
    easy prey...and another reason why she stays.
    Sharjinka: I did wonder about Jubilee's odd looks on Sunday. *sigh*
    I just didn't have time to talk to her.
    Sharjinka: I don't come across too strong, I don't think.
    evile: *shrug* Jubilee is going to believe who and what she wants to
    believe. I don't think there's much you can do. Time will take care
    of things, I think.
    evile: but you have been with HFS for a long time, so that makes you
    a strong figure in the HFS, IMHO.
    Sharjinka: Thank you. I don't plan to say much. I figure if there
    are questions, I'll deal with them when they get asked.
    evile: *nod* My friend mouser had a great article on how to keep
    trolls out of your group. skye_ds uses a lot of troll tactics.
    Sharjinka: Damn.... I wish she wouldn't. She reminds me of Cathy a
    bit.
    evile: *nod* that 'poor helpless me' vibe.
    Sharjinka: I have noticed I REALLY react strongly against that.
    evile: me too.
    Sharjinka: At least with skye_ds you can see it coming a bit. I didn't
    know until I walked into a room and was treated like a criminal that
    anything had been done.
    evile: that SUCKS.
    Sharjinka: Yep. I managed to do my strong, tough act and then got
    home and cried about it.
    Sharjinka: I sometimes see the look CB gave me in my mind's eye when
    he thought I had threatened her and it still hurts a bit.
    evile: yeah. that's the worst thing...trolls take a small thing and
    turn it into something bigger. at the core there may be a small
    kernel of truth (you're a physically powerful woman...which gets
    turned into you're a woman who could hurt her which then mutates into
    you DID threaten it.)
    Sharjinka: Yeah....I was very unprepared for what happened. At least
    with A, I know it! ;-)
    evile: yup
    Sharjinka: Do you have a digital camera??
    evile: yes, somewhere.
    Sharjinka: Okay.
    evile: http://esoterica.bichaunt.org/
    Go down to 'trollspotting'
    evile: "Trolls love to tell tales "in confidence", and can invent
    convincing reasons why the members of the group shouldn't talk to
    each other – or to the Leaders – about these tall tales."

    Sharjinka: I'm reading the story of the adopted troll.
    Sharjinka: Hmmmmm..... ;-)
    evile: HFS seems fairly vulnerable to trolls due to the non
    communication between various groups & kingdoms, and the youth of the
    members.
    Sharjinka: I agree that's true and I've seen it happen....
    evile: When mouser was one of the people in charge of poly group, we
    had less trollage. We seem to get more now.
    evile: We are pretty good at keeping them out on our own, as a group.
    We are all mature adults, with excellent communication skills, so
    that keeps down the potential damage a troll can do.
    evile: I personally need to work on not feeding the trolls.
    Sharjinka: I think I do to.
    Sharjinka: They really seem angry when I actually show backbone.
    evile: they use your good nature against you. You want to be fair, do
    the right thing, get to understand one another...and all of those
    things just give the trolls more ammo to use against you. They use
    your own good heart against you. that's what infuriates me most about
    them.
    Sharjinka: Yes, I know. I had to (and still do) work hard to be
    fair. My background is not the best and suddenly....it was used
    against me in a way I never thought it would be.
    evile: yup
    Sharjinka: When she told me that she would make sure they would take
    her word over some scum, gang member, I almost lost it. (Not
    violent....just tearing up and such.) I spent over 20 years trying
    to move away from that....
    evile: yeah.
    Sharjinka: I'm rather up front about it because if I mess up or I do
    something wrong...I'm responsible for my actions, of course. But I'm
    still learning. People are still teaching me.....and it has taken me
    a long time. I still cuss and drink. ;-) It's built into the
    package. I just don't do it as much as I used to. ;-)
    evile: yup.
    Sharjinka: The troll that came into our group and convinced them that
    she was a victimized princess really made me sick.
    evile: Eventually, though...actions do speak louder than words. On
    one hand you have Sharjinka, who is honest to the point of being
    blunt, who does what she says she is going to do, and is always
    consistent. And then you have this other person who says she's
    forgiving and kind hearted and always interested in hearing what
    others have to say....and when it becomes obvious that she is NOT
    what she says she is, the decent folk are vindicated.
    Sharjinka: Yes....it was terribly relieving to hear Katie say "how
    could we ever take her word over yours? You should've spoken up,
    doofus." It doesn't sound really nice but it made me laugh and cry
    at the same time. (Thanks for all the compliments. Blunt. That's
    MEEEEEE!!! :-)
    evile: yeah. I admire people who are who and what they say they are.
    As hard as it is to be yourself and be true to yourself, you always
    walk that path.
    evile: I am very quick to judge and it takes me a long time to
    forgive or change my mind...but I have to say...my judgement is about
    99%.
    Sharjinka: Thank you. There are still some things I wish I could
    change.... I swore I would NEVER fight again when I moved down
    here.... and I still did. *sigh* Not only that, I played street
    basketball for years. *sigh* I missed my....people from where I
    used to live.
    Sharjinka: I agree! You're an excellent judge of character.
    Sharjinka: You really know what you're talking about. I loved the
    advice you gave ArgonEric. That was right on!!
    evile: I hope it wasn't too harsh.
    evile: I am very blunt...I try to be tactful, sometimes it doesn't
    work.
    Sharjinka: I thought it was the perfect thing to say. I know it'll
    put his mind at ease!!
    evile: I hope so. I really would like to see them both happy.
    Sharjinka: :-) I hope so too....
    evile: and, ya know...I've found that I can soften my approach
    without compromising my Self. I can still make snap judgements and be
    harsh...but no reason to do it out loud and alienate people. :P
    Sharjinka: Yep. I try to hold back myself a bit. :-D
    evile: A's still not back from lunch. I guess she's mad at me again.
    Oh, foo.
    Sharjinka: Long lunch.
    Sharjinka: Maybe you'll be lucky and get the silent treatment. ;-)
    evile: I don't really give a shit....I didn't do anything wrong. I
    need to get better at not letting her push my buttons. I need to
    say "OK, we're not talking a bout that anymore" and then NOT talk
    about it.
    Sharjinka: It wasn't really your fault. She's the one that kept
    dwelling on it.
    evile: she keeps trying to sic sineater on me and I keep telling sineater
    that if there is something I have said or done to HIM, I'll talk
    about it, but otherwise, I am not interested, and that keeps shutting
    him down. I hate to be that way with him, but I am not going to fight
    with him about her.
    evile: I'm better at not letting sineater push my buttons. I guess
    because we've known each other longer.
    Sharjinka: I can understand that. I really do think that's the
    smartest way to handle it.
    evile: yup.
    Sharjinka: I didn't handle the situation with Cathy very well and CB
    and I were never the same after that.
    Sharjinka: I was so upset but she followed through on that and it
    ended just as she said it would.
    evile: *nod* it's hard. especially when it comes clear out of the
    blue. I am slowly but surely learning with skye_ds.
    evile: it no longer surprises me when my efforts at kindness get me
    bit on the butt....but I do keep getting bit in the butt.
    Sharjinka: I saw skye_ds coming a mile away and avoided her. Cathy was
    cute and delicate. She was very nice to my face. I really got roped
    in. ;-)
    evile: *nod* Lucky for us, skye_ds is not that skilled at manipulating
    people. She's pretty good, but not perfect.
    Sharjinka: I don't know.... After Cathy....skye_ds seems pretty clumsy to
    me. ;-)
    evile: yup. Cathy sounds like a real pro.
    Sharjinka: She really was.
    Sharjinka: Now....maybe you understand why I was actually frightened
    at the skating rink. ;-)
    Sharjinka: My hands were still shaking slightly when I got home.
    evile: yeah.
    Sharjinka: It was a real scary experience for me.
    evile: I'm sure. we had a mid-management person here who was like
    that, and I was terrified of her.
    evile: I'm still finding little landmines she left for me, she's been
    gone for a couple years now.
    Sharjinka: I'm so glad that I took the action I did which was not
    doing anything. Cathy kind of self destructed herself with her lies
    and manipulation. The boys in Drandmir pretty much hate her.
    evile: yeah. sometimes the best thing to do is just lay low until the
    person blows up on their own. You hate to sit there and wait, knowing
    that your reputation is being destroyed in the meantime...but a good
    troll can twist anything you say and do to fit their story.
    Sharjinka: Yep. I tried to talk to CB about it once when I just
    couldn't take it anymore. I still can't talk about what was said
    exactly. Just hurt like hell and I gave up.
    Sharjinka: I never thought he'd believe that about me because I
    thought we were good friends. She managed to make him believe it.
    evile: *hugs*
    Sharjinka: *hugs* I try not to dwell on it too much. I was sorry to
    lose CB over it but at least, I didn't lose everyone.
    evile: yeah. it still sucks...but yeah, it could have been lots worse.
    Sharjinka: Yes, very true.
    evile: it's like a witch hunt...they set up situations to where no
    matter what you do or say, it 'proves' you guilty.
    evile: I'm to the point with [brother A] and the Pig that I figure If I get
    to be the villain no matter what, why do anything? And I'm getting
    closer to that with sineater and skye_ds.
    Sharjinka: Yeah....I can understand that.
    evile: Just disengage completely....and realize that it's my
    brothers' choice to stay in that miserable looney bin cesspit.
    evile: I can't help them or save them, and if I stick around and get
    involved, I could end up in there too. So...not worth it.
    Sharjinka: I agree. It's sad and horrible....but sometimes if you
    try to help....people just move further away from you.
    evile: I quit responding to her LJ posts, because every time I'd
    respond, sineater would call me and yell at me for my opinions. I guess I
    am going to have to quit talking to her in ICQ too. I figured we had
    enough in common we could just stick to those topics, but if we
    can't, we can't.
    Sharjinka: Yeah, makes sense.
    evile: I have her and sineater locked out of most of my LJ posts these
    days. And poor little Malamorf [sonar0m] was never 'in' on any of them in the
    first place.
    Sharjinka: I will always feel sorry for that kid.
    evile: me too...
    evile: but, legally, he's an adult and can make his own choices in
    life, too.
    evile: His parents really tried....
    Sharjinka: I know.
    evile: At some point, I guess the parents just have to let go and
    realize they did their best, time to let him go and make his own
    mistakes in life.
    Sharjinka: Yes, that's true but it's still sad.
    evile: yup. sineater's dad and I talked about all that this weekend. It's
    hard to see a guy that big and strong hurt so much.
    Sharjinka: Poor guy!!
    evile: I could kill A and the pig for that alone, not to even mention
    all the other damage they've done to this family.
    Sharjinka: *sigh* It is just terrible.....I can believe it.
    evile: but, you know...we go on with our lives. We don't give our
    energy to those people. We spend time with people we love, we do
    things we enjoy, we are here when we are called, but until then, we
    aren't going to waste our energy on them.
    Sharjinka: Makes sense.
    evile: that's his take on things, anyway. He and my mom have been
    doing art together, and spending good quality time with their "empty
    nest, " and living well.
    Sharjinka: That's cool. My parents are enjoying each other's company
    since my Dad's retirement.
    evile: that's awesome. :)
    Sharjinka: :-)
    evile: seeing that makes me hopeful for my own future :) I hope Sweetie
    and I have that much love for each other when we're 50+
    Sharjinka: I know what you mean. I find my parents inspiring. Even
    though they joke and such.
    evile: yeah. My mom & stepdad have big fights at times...but they
    stick together and work it out. that's important to see.
    Sharjinka: Yep. I'm glad they work it out.
    evile: The world is mostly a beautiful place. It doesn't hurt anyone
    to appreciate that fact, and it doesn't help them to dwell on the sad
    things of this world. So may as well do your best to be a good person
    and make a good life for yourself and your loved ones.
    Sharjinka: Very true!!
    evile: it's just something I need to keep remembering. :)
    Sharjinka: Yeah....me too. Did you go skating last night?
    evile: No. My plane got in at 10:30. Next week is full moon in the
    yard (you're invited, BTW. skye_ds and sineater are NOT). So maybe I'll go the 28th
    Sharjinka: I might go. Full moon on the stream sounds so fantastic.
    evile: You're more than welcome. I'll try to post an update & info
    soon. Maybe another evite link to the elite non-drama folks.
    Sharjinka: Thanks. :-)
    evile: I always like having people over. Especially when they're COOL
    people.
    Sharjinka: Thanks. I love hanging out with you and the other cool
    folks. ;-) They are just so interesting to talk to.
    evile: Yeah. I'm so blessed; I have a lot of cool friends.
    Sharjinka: They are so neat. I'm hoping to get bold enough to ask
    questions soon. I'm really interested....
    evile: heehee. I know what you mean :)
    Sharjinka: They have a different lifestyle and I'm afraid I might
    come off as offensive.
    evile: I doubt it. Unless you just pipe right up with "so, what gets
    you off?"
    Sharjinka: Oh.... geez!! I don't think so!!
    evile: Onyxlynxx said some guy at a happy hour just popped up with that
    one. I think as long as you can keep from saying that, you'll be
    fine :P
    Sharjinka: Okay. I think I can manage to word questions a bit better
    than that.
    evile: I figured you could!
    Sharjinka: :-)
    evile: Most of my friends are pretty open. and if they don't want to
    answer, they will say so, and no big deal.
    Sharjinka: That's good. Sometimes my curiosity gets the best of me.
    I try to word it as best I can.
    evile: I think if people are open enough in conversation to let on
    that they are unconventional, they are open enough to answer
    questions about it.
    evile: especially if it's someone they've met before, who isn't just
    some anonymous pervert that showed up once, or whatever.
    Sharjinka: I hope so. :-)
    evile: I think so.
    evile: people usually like to talk about themselves, as long as they
    feel their 'audience' isn't hostile.
    Sharjinka: True.
    Sharjinka: I'm going to go catch the bus. Laters!!
    evile: Ok. *hugs* laters!

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