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Jun. 10th, 2005 03:00 pm
evile: TGIF!
evile: I'm *so* ready to get out of here!!!
SkyeDS: 	yep
SkyeDS: I meant to work 10 - 2 today but it turned into 12:30 	-
4:30... oh well
evile: *shrug* these things happen. It 	doesn't seem boss man is too
uptight about such things.
SkyeDS: 	thankfully
evile: I slept in a little too, working 8-4 (with 	phone duty)
SkyeDS: wish I had gotten to sleep in, I was fussing 	with legal
documents on the computer that I had to send to myself 	here
evile: yuck.
evile: It was nice to see Brandy and Steve 	out last night. He works
insane hours a lot of the time, and 	she's super shy. It was nice of
you to take such an interest in 	her.
SkyeDS: brandy = kyahn? sat next to you?
SkyeDS: that's 	right
SkyeDS: because I had to make a note to myself not 	brandyeileen
evile: *nod* You talked to her for over an hour, I 	think.
SkyeDS: she was kind to take an interest in me for that 	long
SkyeDS: she had/has a Catalina macaw, cross between a blue & 	gold and
a scarlet
evile: cool.
SkyeDS: hybrid macaws are 	even flashier
SkyeDS: and you can breed hybrids together to get 	even more flashier
than t hat
SkyeDS: and for some reason the 	birds are bigger than either of their
parental species 	too
SkyeDS: I thought last night rather pleasant.
evile: me 	too. It was a good bunch.
SkyeDS: it was also nice to meet 	Marcos, whose writing I enjoy when I
have the chance
evile: 	*nod* we are thinking of making him an Honorary Bitch :)
SkyeDS: 	and the food was good as always, haven't had a bad experience
there 	ever, used to live right next door
evile: *nod*
evile: When 	the group gets past a certain size, it becomes difficult
for me 	to get in a good visit with everyone. It was good to see so
many 	people, but I didn't really feel like I got any 	indepth
conversation. Oh well.
SkyeDS: nods. I was worried 	that sonar0m would be out of place and
unhappy but he and sineater 	and oracle_tx seemed to do just fine
evile: talked with Kirby for a 	minute on her way out about parking
for Margaret cho, and with oracle_tx for a bit in the parking lot, but
that's about it. Oracle_tx is a 	sweet guy.
SkyeDS: if he had been unhappy or made people around 	him unhappy that
would have felt like my fault.
evile: *shrug* 	everyone is responsible for their own actions, we're
all 	grownups.
SkyeDS: we likes oracle_tx reminds me to friend him 	today.
evile: If  sonar0m had been an ass, I wouldhave said "gee, sonar0m was
acting like an ass" but I would not have held it 	against you or sineater
for bringing him.
SkyeDS: you will 	remember when kaleon first met you it wasn't pleasant
for either 	of you.
SkyeDS: and kaleon placed the blame squarely on me.
evile: 	*shrug* that was pretty awkward. I didn'tknow a damn thing
about 	poly and didn't have any idea what protocols were involved. I
just 	followed your lead...oh well.
SkyeDS: Kaleon was a big assed baby 	about it and I shouldn't have let
him fob the blame off on 	me
SkyeDS: but I don't have defenses for emotional 	blackmail.
evile: Kaleon and I talked about it afterwards (years 	afterwards) and
made our apologies. best to just let it go at 	this point.
SkyeDS: just what he said about it being my place to 	make sure people
that i am responsible for bringing together 	treat each other
courteously kind of stuck, or some part of it 	did
SkyeDS: anyway
evile: oh well.
evile: it's always nice 	to introduce the people who don't know one
another to one 	another, but after that, it's up to them to relate or
not, 	IMHO.
SkyeDS: and I'm already aware I need a thicker skin in 	general and in
many diverse particulars.
evile: *nod* not 	taking things personally is always a good plan
evile: I got a lot 	done last night; I am feeling much better about
leaving 	home.
SkyeDS: :)
SkyeDS: for the record I hate converting 	documents from one format
into two or three others, it's tedious 	and it sucks
evile: *nod* I got tapped to do that when we were 	making this new
system at work. It sucked and it was 	boring.
evile: I really hope I don't have pertussis. OTOH, I 	could breathe on
a bunch of obnoxious kids between here and 	Indiana.
SkyeDS: hope that Kirby doesn't have it and if she does 	that I didn't
catch it at dinner, but nothing to be done about it 	now in that case
evile: yup
evile: I started taking echinacea 	& goldenseal a few days ago. I'm
doing some better, and the 	stuff I'm coughing up is clear again.
(tmi, sorry)
SkyeDS: 	that's good
evile: yup.
evile: I don't have time to see the ER 	before I leave Austin, let
alone my real dr. (my annual was due 	this month, they never called or
sent a reminder mail, I think 	it's definitely time for a new one.)
SkyeDS: poke & pries = 	suck.
evile: this year I get my first mammogram, too.
SkyeDS: 	saw a new NP/PA this last time, she was very combative in
trying 	to persuade me I need bariatric surgery
evile: unfortunate that 	she was combative...
SkyeDS: I don't think bariatric surgery is a 	first step, I think it's
a final step. She just went completely 	past Go (diet, exercise)
evile: *nod* that's the way it seems to 	be these days.
SkyeDS: she had bariatric surgery ergo it is the 	first and only r
ight answer for everyone else
evile: *nod* of 	course.
SkyeDS: not a convincing argument to my mind
evile: 	nope.
SkyeDS: I would not be surprised if after I have emailed 	half a dozen
people half a dozen times and gotten little to no 	response, that we
get turned away from the youth academy tomorrow 	because the terms
under which we were there last year are not 	agreeable this year
SkyeDS: not necessarily to the legal eagles 	but to Karen
SkyeDS: which is ok because then we'll go to Lake 	Somerville :)
evile: oh dear. Is it a long trip?
SkyeDS: nah, 	half an hour
evile: oh, if it's close to somerville, no biggie, 	then. It won't
waste a day.
SkyeDS: my thought exactly
SkyeDS: 	and there would be more selfish pleasure in Somerville to me
as 	opposed to riding kids around all day
evile: there ya go.
SkyeDS: 	the relationship with the Shire has changed anyway, since we
don't 	see them every week anymore
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: Karen has 	been entourage to the Princess. If she remains
entourage after 	Coronation when Princess becomes Queen then she'll be
even more 	insufferable I suspect
evile: that's too bad.
SkyeDS: it may 	be in my favor though that the Princess and her bevy
of little 	girls love Mirage
SkyeDS: so whatever Karen has to say in effort 	to poison the waters
isn't enough to keep them from spending time 	with the girls and being
at least superficially polite to 	me
evile: yup.
SkyeDS: I can't control my reputation, just my 	character.
evile: exactly
SkyeDS: Bridget and I are always 	going to differ about riding and
training styles, and if she's 	jealous of the structure of my marriage
and the boys functioning 	as "horse slaves" (what apparently everyone
else has 	been calling them)
SkyeDS: I can't help that
SkyeDS: but I 	think there would not have been as much bad feeling
between us as 	there was, if it weren't for Karen
SkyeDS: so I told Bridget 	that, and told her I for one was not going
to let Karen spread 	poison any further, a nd offered an olive branch
evile: 	good.
SkyeDS: if things do go well at Y.A., I'm going to copy the 	Waiver w
signatures and give a copy to Randy
SkyeDS: as well 	as to a couple of other people in office
SkyeDS: if it gets back 	to Sir Alexis, Golden Lancer, Father of
Equestrian in Ansteorra 	and Randy's best bud, and Ansteorra's Lawyer,
all the 	better
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: "like it? I wrote it." 	ie, I'm not as ignorant of the rules
and the law as some people 	want to paint me out to be
evile: cool. :)
SkyeDS: paraphrase: 	just in case you didn't notice, horseback riding
is 	dangerous
SkyeDS: horses are bigger, more powerful/stronger, 	faster than you
are. If you fall off from up there, it gonna 	hurt. bad.
evile: yup
SkyeDS: horses are big rabbits, they get 	scared, they act stupid.
You should wear a helmet, it's your 	choice not to, I'm not giving you
one.
SkyeDS: oh and by the 	way, here's what de lawbook say:
SkyeDS: now sign here
SkyeDS: 	/end paraphrase
evile: there ya go :)
SkyeDS: takes two pages 	of legalese to express that
evile: yeah, lots of CYA. sad but 	it's gotta be done.
SkyeDS: if we have more than 44 kids wanting 	to ride, I don't have
enough sig blocks
SkyeDS: course, in a 	12 hour day we have more than 44 kids, we've got
other problems 	too
evile: yup
evile: whee! 1 more hour till 	vacation!!!!
SkyeDS: :) hour and half here
evile: cool 	:)
evile: FWIW, Nikiyoy told me she'd thought about asking you to 	coffee to
talk, but I think she's too intimidated now. :( Oh 	well. Everyone
did fine at dinner, I thought, and if that's as 	far as everyone can
compromise, I guess I'll have to make 	do.
SkyeDS: I thought we all done good at dinner too
SkyeDS: 	and I hope that if there aren't any more similar 	incidences
everybody could like, put it out of mind and play nice 	in sandbox
evile: hope so.
SkyeDS: I have been able to talk 	sineater down a little
evile: shes not a bad person.
SkyeDS: 	he is still of the mindset that she's just regurgitating what
she 	got from someone else, so I don't know that he thinks she is
SkyeDS: 	and I don't really care.
SkyeDS: which is why I never 	responded.
SkyeDS: I don't see any point in pointing out that I 	have
never "degraded him especially here in LJ" because 	my LJ speaks for
itself
evile: she was responding to your 	post, the words you wrote, right
there....so I don't know where 	people are getting this 'informants'
and bla bla from.
SkyeDS: 	one post wherein I accurately recount facts is not 	degrading
him
SkyeDS: especially not against all the times I 	have praised him in
the entire history of my L J
evile: 	*shrug* I am not arguing with you, I am just saying that's how
she 	read it and she responded before thinking it through.
SkyeDS: and 	the whole post wasn't even "degrading" it was 	truthful
about the both of us, and it ended in praise
SkyeDS: 	not worthy of debate, I'm just telling you what he told me
was in 	his head
SkyeDS: he seldom does that
evile: like I said, I'm 	not arguing with you.
SkyeDS: tells me what goes on up 	there
SkyeDS: and he thinks she got that idea/verbiage from 	elsewhere
evile: that's his business, I guess.
SkyeDS: he is 	still really hurt and really mad for the same reasons
he usually 	is
evile: that's also his business.
SkyeDS: although I've 	soothed some of that over and continue to do so
for his own 	happiness
SkyeDS: being at war all the time is just bad for him a 	nd everyone
around him
evile: yup
SkyeDS: he is also of a 	very suspicious n ature, which I'm sure you
knew long before I 	did
SkyeDS: and he can't stand puzzles he can't unravel
evile: 	anyway, Nikiyoy's not interested in being lynched, so I think
she's 	closed the door on the possibility of talking things through 	or
trying to be freinds. It's a loss for all concerned, 	IMHO.
SkyeDS: such as how "they both did each other wrong in 	the past" gets
translated into "Demon Skye does Saint 	sineater wrong every damn day" his
words not mine
evile: 	*shrug* he is entitled to his opinions. If he wants to puff up
the 	words of one person to be some vast conspiracy and get all
crazed, 	that's his business.
SkyeDS: I'm telling you this because I know 	he won't. I know he
won't because I told him you deserve to 	know.
SkyeDS: I don't like playing [sineaterlastname]ball so I'm playing 	Skyeball from
now on and that involves telling the truth
evile: 	He and I have already talked, he says he doesn't think I'm in
on 	the conspiracy (this time) so I'm cool. That's all I care 	about,
really. Jump my shit for what I actually do and say, I'm 	cool with
that, but don't make shit up to be mad at me 	about.
SkyeDS: it isn't right to tell someone you aren't mad at 	them or
suspicious of what they tell you and then go home and 	blow up because
you damn well are too mad and suspicious and then 	refuse to tell them
that or give them a chance to defend 	themselves or whatever.
evile: I am just going to assume things 	are cool until he says
otherwise. And if he lacks spine or 	testicles to speak directly to me
and would rather go home and 	yell at the wall, that's fine. I didn't
do anything wrong, so I'm 	just as glad not to be getting shit on as a
result.
SkyeDS: 	and for that matter, deciding at one point you aren't
mad/suspicious 	and saying that, then rehashing "evidence" in your
head 	and deciding later otherwise about the mad/suspicious thing, 	is
wrong too, if you don't discuss it with the persons you know 	are
interested in such
evile: yup.
SkyeDS: his sense of 	honor is different than mine, and he has to act
on his, and I'm 	going to act on mine.
evile: yup.
SkyeDS: anyway, I had my 	reasons for not responding to Nikiyoy's posts
SkyeDS: and if she's 	going to hold sineater and someone else's reaction
against me 	personally, so be it.
evile: I don't think so. I just think she 	sees you as being
surrounded by irrational people who have 	threatened her, so doesn't
see it as worth her while to fight her 	way through them to speak
rationally to you
SkyeDS: if he did 	yell at the wall btw I would leave him a lone to do
so, but he 	doesn't yell at the wall, he yells not at me, but around
me, so 	he puts me in a position of having to deal with it.
evile: was 	speaking figuratively.
evile: when he lived with us, he kicked 	walls.
SkyeDS: in addition to eating dirt ;)
evile: 	heh.
evile: different stages in development.
SkyeDS: having 	worked for lawyers for many moons now I know when I'm
being 	yelled at and when I'm just present when someone's yelling
evile: 	*nod* it's unpleasant, either way.
SkyeDS: I didn't mean to give 	the impression he yells at me, he
doesn't, I just happen to be 	the audience
SkyeDS: along with Arthur, who really doesn't need 	to be, not good
for him
evile: *nods*
SkyeDS: I told him 	there needed to be a sit down break bread and
truth telling 	session, a nd he said no
SkyeDS: so I decided I would have a 	general sit down and truth
telling session in my journal, and I 	did, and so that chapter is
finished until someone tells me 	otherwise far as I'm concerned
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: I'm not 	the one Nikiyoy needs to reason with anyway
evile: you're the person 	whose journal she posted in...so she sees it
as more between you 	and her than anyone else.
SkyeDS: and the reason I didn't answer 	it is also in my LJ - in my
memories
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: I 	don't answer negativity with more, it is a vicious cycle
SkyeDS: 	I offered up a blessing for her and went on my merry way
evile: 	yup.
SkyeDS: which is what I told sineater and Jubi I was 	doing
SkyeDS: and I told them, you do what you will, but that's 	what I'm
doing and why
SkyeDS: Jubi being very devoutly Xian t 	hought that Nikiyoy's post in my
LJ served some purpose, and I said, 	well, everything that's happened
to me lately seems to be to test 	my resolve not to take things
personally and not be negative 	back
SkyeDS: I am pleased with my response to those tests, it is 	improving
slowly but surely
evile: As I told nikiyoy...truth is a 	tricky tool (truth re: your
feelings, not truth as in facts) 	...you can use it as a can opener,
to open the tin shell of those 	around you and get to the good stuff
inside, or you can use it 	like a sledgehammer, which will destroy the
other person's tin 	can and leave you with a mess. And then there are
some cans you 	don't want to open, as all they contain is Whoop Ass.
SkyeDS: I 	agree.
SkyeDS: I'm trying to gently persuade sineater to give up 	the hammer.
SkyeDS: I can't take it away forcibly.
evile: I am 	sad to see nothing but crushed cans and mess around
several 	people I care about...but they're all grownups and I can't
tell 	other people what to do.
SkyeDS: I am having a small amount of 	success in the gentle
persuasion department too.
evile: Well, 	Nikiyoy could have been a good friend for you. You could
have been a 	good friend for her to know...and now that chance is
gone. It's 	just very sad.
SkyeDS: while I have a long memory I don't bear 	grudges
SkyeDS: if she reaches that same place eventually the 	chance will
arise again, if it's meant to
evile: I think after 	the treatment by your protectors, Nikiyoy won't try
again.
evile: 	she's pretty cautious and guarded of her real self, even 	after
knowing her as long as I have I've only scratched the 	surface. she
takes a lot of things to heart, more than she 	appears to, and when
she gets hurt, she just closes up
SkyeDS: 	that's perfectly understandable
SkyeDS: I think had the reverse 	happened, and I was perceived as
attacking Nikiyoy, and her circle 	of friends closed around her and
delivered the blistering 	response I would expect the SBC to deliver
SkyeDS: I would never 	come out from cover again either
evile: well, it's sad, and it's 	a loss to all concerned, and creates
some awkwardness for those 	who know and like all concerned...but it
seems to have been 	handled as adults.
evile: so hopefully that will 	continue.
SkyeDS: time fer u to go home btw
evile: yup. I was 	just about to say.
SkyeDS: *hugs* wind to your wings, have good 	journeys :)
evile: thanks. Have a good weekend.
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