2620icq w/A

 

4 Nov. 2:07 pm

 

 

evile: hi :)
SkyeDS: hola, on phone, slow
evile: ok
SkyeDS: bk, still kinda slow
SkyeDS: how goes?
evile: Ok :) I'm tired. Stayed up a bit too late last night.
SkyeDS: ditto
evile: You had a lot longer drive home after polydinner, so I feel
bad complaining too much :P
evile: the company was worth it.
SkyeDS: was nice to see Mouser again, and to meet Robin. Am sorry
that Mouser is not with Apple anymore. I'm sure that sucks on top of
being jobless again.
evile: *nod*
evile: I have no idea who Robin is, btw.
SkyeDS: he was sitting at the end next to me, short hair, mustache,
beard, sandy colored, soft spoken, very knowledgeable and does great
Carlin.
evile: blue shirt?
SkyeDS: ya
evile: Ok, yeah, I saw y'all talking, but I dont' think I've ever met
or spoken to him.
evile: I felt bad that we ended up sitting so far from you, and then
I look down the table and see you surrounded by about 5 cute guys,
and didn't feel so guilty....
SkyeDS: and a very angry Kilsharion
evile: what was she angry about?
SkyeDS: politics
evile: Oh well. Who isn't?
SkyeDS: I don't attack people personally over it
SkyeDS: sineater has never had to physically pull me off someone for it
evile: who was she attacking personally?
SkyeDS: me.
evile: wierd. I guess I totally missed that. What did she say? What
did you say?
SkyeDS: we didn't choose the same sides
SkyeDS: so then she decides to launch an attack on my education and
my profession
SkyeDS: before finding out what they are
evile: wtf.
SkyeDS: last night in many ways was very high school
SkyeDS: I wasn't even defending Bush
evile: she probably just needed someone to be mad at and picked you.
Lucky gal.
SkyeDS: I simply stated my pov, which is the election was between
Dumb and Dumberer, and I wasn't going to make a false choice between
the rattlesnake and the cottonmouth.
evile: Probably did not help that more people were paying attention
to you than to her.
SkyeDS: they were?
SkyeDS: since when?
evile: *nod* at least from looking at body language & where people
were sitting/standing down that end.
SkyeDS: if she perceives that, then perhaps she shouldn't be so
vitriolic
SkyeDS: you know I don't usually talk about auras and vibes and all
that
SkyeDS: but she was radiating last night from the get go
SkyeDS: I know that when I radiate, people don't want to be around me
(and I understand that, which is why I hole up when I'm radiating)
evile: I was trying very hard not to get drawn into cattiness, but
onyxlynxx and Nikiyoy and I do tend to kind of snark...that was noticed &
remarked upon.
SkyeDS: yeah well, I'm sure people know that about ya'll by now, a nd
they can choose to subject themselves to it or not
SkyeDS: I got blindsided
SkyeDS: I'm beginning to think I want to spend the holidays by myself
SkyeDS: like, completely. no men, just me.
evile: which holidays would those be?
SkyeDS: all of them.
evile: So...because 1 person at polydinner was nasty to you you are
going to boycott your family & friends? Ok...
SkyeDS: it's not quite that simple.
SkyeDS: that whole end of the table except for the gentleman in red
whose name Id ont' believe I ever heard, and Robin, jumped my case
because I don't hero worship Kerry
SkyeDS: and it isn't like I hero worship Bush either
evile: I don't really care for Kili, she is an attention whore &
tells long boring self aggrandizing stories...so I just avoid her.
evile: People at my end kept trying to talk politics, too, and I kept
guiding the conversation away from that.
SkyeDS: it was too reminiscent of having multiple "peers" jump on me
in high school, and having the teacher do squat about it
SkyeDS: except worse, because these people are supposedly (like
pagans) "enlightened" adult beings
SkyeDS: and there was no one to stop them
evile: this is the real world, baby, you're a grownup and you gotta
be the 'teacher' now and stand up for yourself. Which, since you
stayed and managed to be pleasant to people, it appears you did.
SkyeDS: lol not really
evile: Kili is one of my 'favorite' people in this world: bored,
affluent white/european descent who co-opt Naitive American
practices, traditions.
SkyeDS: I pulled out as best I could, directed my attention to Robin,
actually learned things I didn't know
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: and when you quit responding, eventually people do stop
SkyeDS: although, as I pointed out many times to my mother, that
didn't work in school
evile: 'winning' need not be getting everyone to agree to your POV,
winning may be a matter of making a more comfortable social situation
out of a less-comfortable one.
SkyeDS: yeah, well, I'm going to have to do some serious inventory
before I subject myself to that again
evile: The important things here: you didn't sink to her level, and
you didn't get so upset that you had to leave
SkyeDS: I don't know, maybe I felt a little better after ESA, false
security.
SkyeDS: and I truly should have known better than to get into a
political discussion, so truly, shame on me.
evile: The world is a big place, full of people who may or may not
agree with you. That's why in the south it's considered vulgar to
talk about sex, politics, and religion in mixed company
SkyeDS: and I shouldn't have stayed by myself, I should have just
followed sineater around. <gags>
evile: I'm trying to get better about it.
SkyeDS: I have no problem with sex politics and religion.
SkyeDS: I don't understand personal attacks on people over them
evile: What you should NOT do is second guess yourself. You did the
best you could in a bad situation where the other person was
misbehaving egregiously.
SkyeDS: but the next time someone almost comes across the table at me
physically
SkyeDS: I will defend myself and they will rue it.
evile: 2 wrongs dont' make a right honey. Taking a moral high road
may seem emtpy and pointless, but at the end of the day you have to
be a person you can respect
evile: And would you really respect yourself for beating up some
skinny salad eatin' bitch?
SkyeDS: she lays a hand on me and I will teach her not to even think
about it ever again.
SkyeDS: and have no qualms about it whatsoever
SkyeDS: I don't ever hit first but I"ll be damned if I don't hit last
when someone's stupid enough to hit me.
evile: Well, I'm sorry that happened. She is not one of my favorite
people.
evile: I'm surprised to find myself not 100% in love with every
single person in the austin poly group like I was when I first
joined. But, yes, there are some boors, some obnoxious jerks, some
drama-queens & attention whores....and even with that, the percentage
of people I like & enjoy is higher in poly austin than in any other
group I've ever been in.
SkyeDS: well you see, I knew that.
evile: *hugs*
SkyeDS: I knew what i was getting into, and it was my idea to go
anyway.
SkyeDS: and on top of that, I knew their political leanings.
SkyeDS: I should have known to keep my mouth shut.
evile: You did good. You really did. I thought you were gracious &
entertaining & charming, what I saw and heard of you last night.
So...dont' let one bad apple ruin the pie, ya know?
SkyeDS: I could have done better, by shutting up in the first place.
evile: It's important to learn from the past, but dont live there,
OK? Next time you'll change the subject sooner, or start a
conversation with someone who isn't being a jerk, and it will be
better.
SkyeDS: well yeah, I learned from it.
evile: *nod* that's the important part.
evile: I didn't learn in as bad a way, but Kili and I already
went 'round a while back via email. Hell, I don't even remember what
it was about anymore.
SkyeDS: well, now I know.
SkyeDS: and I won't get blindsided again.
evile: *nod*
evile: Ok, one more meow about Kili, then I'll shut up. She calls
herself childfree, but she has a bio son that is being raised by her
mother and she is in contact with him as his mother (unlike Dani &
her birthmother status)
SkyeDS: well, she's very unhappy. for whatever reasons and I would
guess there are probably many. I will just have to shield myself
from her unhappiness, now that I know.
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: I am confrontational
SkyeDS: in the genuine sense of the word
SkyeDS: if I have a problem I will come to you
SkyeDS: you won't hear about it from Sharjinka
SkyeDS: or Lisalotte
SkyeDS: you'll hear about it from me
SkyeDS: and if you don't, then it's not important enough for me to
talk about it
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: that's confrontational. To your face.
SkyeDS: reasonably, maturely, in an attempt to be adult.
SkyeDS: combative is in your face, fighting, not debate, and I can't
stand it
evile: yeah.
SkyeDS: I harbor no ill will whatsoever for those who don't think
like I do, I can happily debate and break bread and befriend people
all day long
SkyeDS: I don't understand the tendency of some people, and I won't
label them because that would be inflammatory, and I don't want to be
evile: *nod* I am always really surprised when people get hurt
feelings when I was just having an intellectual exercise. But it
happens.
evile: Less so these days, as I try to curb that tendency with people
I don't know well enough to know they can take it.
SkyeDS: but their hearts bleed, they're always talking about "for the
children" (or for whatever, but it isn't enlightened self interest),
they're emotional, and they like to attack
SkyeDS: they like to play the child card, the race card, the gender
card, and the class card
SkyeDS: they're shrill, they're always upset, their voices are
usually raised.
SkyeDS: and if you disagree with them they attack you personally.
SkyeDS: and I don't understand that. and I hate getting blindsighted
by it.
evile: that's the part I never get, either.
evile: Oh, here I go again with the snarky cattyness: Knighthorse is one of
several among the poly group whom I think "Gosh, if I was poly, I'd
totally love to get with him..." but never would, because of their
choice in other SOs.
SkyeDS: Mouser is free :)
SkyeDS: I get intellectual crushes on people I find fascinating, and
I'm afraid they get misconstrued as a desire to add someone to my
harem.
evile: Mouser is giving off some mega negative vibes these days. I
don't think I would care to follow him down the drain. But he's still
cute :)
SkyeDS: he did seem to radiate "down" last night
evile: I can't say I blame him for feeling bad. BUT I also don't see
him making much of an effort to get out of the hole, ya know?
SkyeDS: I don't know him well enough.
SkyeDS: and no point in making any attempt to spend more time with
him, because he doesn't like horses or birds, and I would be hard
pressed to find time outside of family right now
SkyeDS: not that he'd even want me to anyway
evile: He is too caught up in his own troubles to think about anybody
else, you included. that's not a reflection on you, thats' just how
it is right now.
evile: That's one of the 4 Agreements I've found most useful: Don't
Take Things Personally
SkyeDS: oh I don't take it personally
SkyeDS: just sayin, normally I would take some interest in cheering
him up
SkyeDS: but I'm not the person to do that right now
SkyeDS: I am not quite as bad about being miss fixit as I'm reputed
to be
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: not that I don't deserve some of that reputation, because I
do like to fix things
SkyeDS: I'm masculine in that way.
SkyeDS: what are the other three agmts btw? and where are they found?
evile: It's a book by Don Miguel Ruiz, "The Four Agreements"
evile: trying to find a short form online...hang on...
SkyeDS: I already lookin :)
SkyeDS: http://www.miguelruiz.com/agreements.html
evile: something like 1) be true to your word 2) do your best 3)
don't take things personally. and ....?
evile: Oh, there you go.
SkyeDS: those are very much in line with my covenants and tenets
SkyeDS: and the buddhist 8 (I think buddhist)?
evile: *nod* I think they're pretty universal.
SkyeDS: right speech
evile: yup
SkyeDS: thank you for what you said earlier. that means a lot.
evile: I'm glad. :)
SkyeDS: :D
evile: I know I tend to be perfectionistic and super-critical, but
that is like the wrongest way possible to deal with people, ya know?
evile: It's much more productive to see someone making an effort and
praise that, than to criticize mistakes.
SkyeDS: well I'm not an expert on the right way to deal with people,
so I don't know what I know, I know more what I don't know
evile: Nobody is perfect. I see you trying. I see you succeeding more
than you give yourself credit for.
SkyeDS: well I had a pretty good idea last night that the stove would
be hot and I should keep my fingers away, and I didn't, so I got
burned, and I will learn from it (or get burned yet again).
evile: *nod* but hopefully keep trying, yes?
SkyeDS: if you aren't going to try you might as well die.
evile: yup.
evile: And really, truly, there are a bunch of cool people out there
that would be good to get to know. Jerks, too...but *pfft* who cares
about them.
SkyeDS: the tall gentleman with short dark hair, glasses, and in
gray, was quite funny
SkyeDS: and is always nice to see onyxlynxx
evile: does funny accents & voices? That's oracle_tx.
SkyeDS: I truly value people who make me laugh
evile: He's a sweetie. A little backwards & socially retarded, but a
good-hearted person.
evile: Nice backrubs, too.
SkyeDS: backrubs are always a good thing
evile: sheenaqotj invited everyone she knows or thinks she knows to a
party next Fri. I saw oracle_tx was going, and I'd pretty much go just for
him if I didn't already have plans :)
SkyeDS: yep, interesting peeps
evile: she has lost a LOT of weight since I saw her at DAve & Lyn's
blue moon party
evile: (Dave is my 'secret crush' BTW)
SkyeDS: which one is he
evile: I was talking to him near the railing, towards the end of hte
evening. He looks a lot like David Bowie. Skates, writes, plays music
goes to hippie hollow, has a gorgeous wife & a great house & a
piano :)
evile: He had been gaming with the No Kidding folks.
SkyeDS: sounds good to me (but I'm biased ;)
evile: He is incredibly brilliant. And looks good nekkid, too. what
else could you possibly want in a guy :P
SkyeDS: I can't think of a thing
evile: I went through a short crush phase with him where all I could
do was stand there and grin at him like the village idiot.
evile: Thankfully I got over that.
evile: he has an LJ but hasnt updated
http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=chikuru
SkyeDS: I have a tendency to just watch people. Apparently so
intently that it makes them uncomfortable and give them the wrong
idea.
evile: hehe.
evile: Tomorrow is bellydancing at Casa de Luz.
evile: and the 1 year anniversary of my Essure. ;)
SkyeDS: I'm going to go home after work to pack for the weekend. I
don't know what he will do, I've told him he should do what he wants.
evile: *nod* reminds me, I should go get cash at the CU before it
closes at 2.
SkyeDS: you've only got an hour
evile: yup. BRB.
evile: back.
SkyeDS: you made it to the cu and back?
evile: yeah, it's on the 3rd floor.
SkyeDS: handy
evile: yup! except their hours are kinda sucky
evile: Oh, interesting, Tandeer got collared.
SkyeDS: pretty Tandeer of Tandeer and Joe?
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: wow, by whom?
SkyeDS: and is that going to interfere with her free exercise of
polyamory?
evile: She didn't say. Apparently we haven't met him yet.
evile: Doesn't look like it's gonna cramp her style any :)
SkyeDS: I'm sure she has it worked out to her satisfaction
evile: heh. yeah, that's Tandeer.
SkyeDS: being collared doesn't imply 24/7 TPE
evile: *nod* she says she's looking for a subbie of her own. :P
SkyeDS: I call myself a switch, and that's true from some
perspectives and not from others
SkyeDS: depends on whether you're talking strictly about sex or not
evile: *nod*
evile: Her post in the voyagers yahoo group sounded very happy. I'm
glad for her.
SkyeDS: :D
SkyeDS: I so enjoyed spending time with her when we were in Killeen
evile: She is a really neat person. Her husband is adorable & her son
is a fantastic writer & actor. She is another person I see as a role
model.
SkyeDS: good one
evile: I think so.
evile: She is very much her own person, does what she likes, says
what she thinks, but manages to also get along with people and be
well liked.
SkyeDS: very fine balance that
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: Ass-croft is talking about leaving
SkyeDS: I SO hope
evile: yay!
SkyeDS: I can tolerate Bush but Asscroft and Blofeld have to go.
evile: yup.
SkyeDS: I did so good at not snarking in this one instance
SkyeDS: I was accused of using kaleon
evile: :) yay!
evile: when/where was this?
SkyeDS: and I did NOT respond, using you for what?
SkyeDS: you aren't good for anything and you have nothing that I want
evile: bi.zarre.
SkyeDS: see, I thought it, but I didn't put it into print :P
evile: good for you.
SkyeDS: I think maybe part of why I don't snark "out loud" is because
I don't really care for the repercussions
evile: yeah, that whole 'pick your battles' thing.
SkyeDS: you know Mark, from Drandmir right?
SkyeDS: I don't engage in banter with him because he makes me feel
virginal and embarasses the living shit out of me, in five minutes or
less
SkyeDS: not easy to do.
SkyeDS: but that's the reason I don't banter with him, and don't
snark out loud in general, because I don't like being in over my head
evile: heh.
SkyeDS: I know when I'm a minnow, and this minnow knows to stay out
of the shark/barracuda pond.
evile: *nod*
evile: Kili's not very predictable. When she's in the right mood, she
can be charming and lovely. But you never know what she's going to be
like from one encounter to the next.
SkyeDS: if I snark, that's inviting someone to snark back.
SkyeDS: which leaves me vulnerable to people who snark far better
than me.
evile: yup.
SkyeDS: I can't stand the heat in that kitchen so I stays out
evile: makes sense.
evile: aha. I love journaling. Just dug up my first encounter with
Kili. I shoulda stuck with my first impression :P
SkyeDS: just added Bill Hicks :)
evile: heh.
SkyeDS: I don't think he was available in January
evile: "I am not sure why this person rubs me so wrong. It's not like
I don't
know all sorts of raving egomaniacs. And I am usually very
entertained by their antics."
evile: it's a free-form box, you can put whatever you want in
the 'interests' list.
evile: if you see something that isn't underlined in someone's
interest list, that means they're the only person on LJ who lists
that as an interest.
SkyeDS: I do a search and then look in the discography for what it
says yahoo's got
SkyeDS: added Hicks in launchcast
evile: Oh, added in Launchcast. I was thinking LJ. sorry!
SkyeDS: hehe
evile: I deleted 'anybody but bush again' and added 'bill hicks' in
my LJ interests list today, which is why my brain went there, I think.
SkyeDS: just want to crawl into the tub with dinner and take a nap
evile: *nod* sounds like a good evening :)
evile: found a picture of therealgalen. Not a good picture, but a
picture.
http://profiles.yahoo.com/therealgalen
SkyeDS: doc editing, slow
evile: *nod*
evile: Celtic festival is this weekend :) I hope I can get Sweetie away
from the Ghia for a while & go do that.
SkyeDS: I wanted to respond to lamb SO Bad
SkyeDS: but I'm not friended so I'll post it in mine
evile: I finally did. Ugh. My bad.
SkyeDS: maybe email her if I can find her email
evile: *sigh* it's not like Kerry was going to go sticking
coathangers up every pregnant woman in Amerikkka as sson as he got
sworn in or anything.
evile: I believe the quote ws something like "It's against my
personal and religious beliefs, but I will uphold hte law of the land
if elected"
SkyeDS: but she's justified in not wanting to be called names like
stupid and moron
evile: Shrub sure does have people snowed with his pious words.
Actions apparently count for nothing.
SkyeDS: I don't notice her calling Kerry supporters names
evile: Well, absolutely.
evile: I didn't notice anyone calling her personally names, either,
so whatever.
SkyeDS: no. but a great number of people have been calling bush
supporters in general moron, stupid, damn dumb, etc
SkyeDS: so I can understand her trepidation in posting what she did
evile: *nod* I posted a joke to Erinlefey's LJ to that effect.
SkyeDS: doubt she'll ever see what I said, oh well.
evile: It's just...appalling to see free women whose ancestresses
fought, suffered, were imprisoned, died for our freedoms...just
throwing them away.
SkyeDS: well, I do get tired of pro choice being equated with pro
abortion
evile: yup.
SkyeDS: just because I choose not to have one unless it's medically
necessary (as in my case it was)
SkyeDS: doesn't mean I'm going to force that on someone else
evile: exactly.
SkyeDS: but I do still think partial birth abortion is murder
evile: I think capital punishment is murder. I think war is murder.
But...sometimes you have to do these things for the greater good.
SkyeDS: I also think we shouldn't have pre emptively hit Iraq
evile: yup
SkyeDS: I think we should have hit Iraq AND 9 OTHER COUNTRIES on 9/12
SkyeDS: that would not have been pre emptive
SkyeDS: and the world could have fucked itself if it didn't like it,
but I doubt anyone would have said squat then
SkyeDS: err 8 other countries, 9 total
evile: Bush could have done so much with the world's goodwill after
9/11 but he pissed it away,s lapped all our well-wishers and
sympathizers in the face, and then shat on them.
SkyeDS: and there is no reason to personally attack me, call me
stupid or moron, because I'm a hawk
SkyeDS: or her because she's pro Bush
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: and Chris Loy was absolutely disingenuous last night or she
genuinely is stupid
evile: I have no idea what incident you may be referring to?
SkyeDS: "no such thing as surgical tactical nukes"
SkyeDS: the hell there aren't.
evile: missed it.
SkyeDS: and besides that's nitpicking
SkyeDS: the larger point I was trying to make is, we should have
taken on 9 countries, not just iraq and afghanistan
SkyeDS: and we should have done it the day after
SkyeDS: it doesn't really matter to me whether we use nukes or not
evile: I wasn't within earshot, I don't have an opinion on her words.
SkyeDS: I think if anywhere is appropriate for small scale nukes, the
ME is it.
SkyeDS: I know there are those who thinks nukes are never appropriate
ever again, of any size
SkyeDS: fine, but don't fucking attack me
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: you see, in jumping on the first few words of what I
said..."I think we should have surgically, tactically nuked 9 ME
capitals--"
SkyeDS: they didn't hear the IMPORTANT part, which was, "on 9/12,
when t he world would have been on our side (or could have been
legitimately told to go fuck itself)
evile: Not really a good topic for dinner conversation with
starngers, anyway.
SkyeDS: they were already heatedly discussing iraq and I should have
stayed out
SkyeDS: I was trying to express that I agree, the war on iraq was the
wrong thing at the wrong time
SkyeDS: but having the opinion that there would have been a right
time and a right way to go after iraq among others
SkyeDS: was enough to merit an attack
evile: Oh well. If people are going to start topics like that in
mixed company, they should expect some debate.
SkyeDS: I'm sorry, but I do believe we needed to strike back after
9/11
SkyeDS: and I think a war on terror is as stupid as a war on drugs or
poverty
SkyeDS: and that's why Bush did that
evile: yup.
SkyeDS: so it would be neverending
SkyeDS: as opposed to a war on a list
evile: yup
SkyeDS: a list can be amended
SkyeDS: Al Quaeda, the Taliban, ANYONE who helps them
SkyeDS: specific.
SkyeDS: not an ism
evile: heh.
SkyeDS: I expressed that last night, or tried to
SkyeDS: and didn't get very far, because everyone was so incensed
that I believe in war at all for any reason
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: yes, I believe we should hit back when we've been hit in the
first place, and I'm not going to apologize for that belief. And I'm
not going to call names or ridicule or attack someone who thinks
otherwise and I'd preciate it if they extended me the same courtesy,
mkay? thanks please drive thru
evile: heh.
SkyeDS: but Bush, imho, did this to himself
SkyeDS: he had the capital to pursue what he wanted and he fucked up
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: so now he leaves himself open to difficult to answer
criticism from hard left doves.
evile: It's like me with being critical and negative--that is not
goign to change people's behavior or opinions favorably. Neither is
being hateful and calling names.
SkyeDS: had he used his capital say a week after 9/11, it would have
been political suicide for doves to criticize
SkyeDS: but it's like, the rules when I was growing up about hitting
back
evile: If you can educate me, provide facts I'd not known,
respectfully show me the other side of the debate, maybe I will
change my mind. But you're not changing anything by getting in my
face adn being nasty.
SkyeDS: I wasn't allowed to wait all day to hit him back if he hit me
first
SkyeDS: which he knew, and would hit me and then lock himself in his
room all day, keeping me from retaliating
SkyeDS: (once Stuart got physically bigger than me, which didn't take
long)
evile: Bush blew it big time. I'm disappointed he got another 4 years
to screw up some more. OTOH, he now has to clean up his own mess,
which is rather poetic justice.
SkyeDS: well, everyone is saying the Dem party is dead.
SkyeDS: I'm thinking it isn't.
SkyeDS: he's got four years with complete control of the Congress and
the SC
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: he better make good, or the Dems will take over all of it in
08
SkyeDS: behind Hildebeast.
SkyeDS: you KNOW she was the happiest person in the country yesterday.
SkyeDS: she even said publicly that Kerry should give up and told
Edwards to quit posturing
SkyeDS: she wants a clear shot in 08, and an incumbent Kerry ain't it.
evile: heh. Well, crap it's after 4! I gotta get a move on.
SkyeDS: wind to your wings :)
evile: *hugs* take care :)

2621E & A's posts re: whatever happened at polydinner

4 Nov. 5:45 pm

 

 

A:
skye_ds (skye_ds) wrote,
@ 2004-11-04 15:38:00
Current mood: bitchy
Current music: Rush ~ Tom Sawyer

To Lil_Lamb: You GO Girl!

This is a response to the following post from lil_lamb:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/lil_lamb/150217.html

She has not friended me, hence I cannot post this in Comments where
it more appropriately belongs.

Hey there :)

I don't know if you remember me, I'm bramblekite's monster (sister)
outlaw (inlaw) and sharjinka's friend. We see each other at SCA
events. This subject is near and dear to my heart, and is one of my
biggest pet peeves. I've not said anything yet, but this seemed to be
the appropriate time and place.

I have an undeserved reputation for being combative, because I am
confrontational, and people use the two words interchangeably, when
they are not. Confrontational means, I speak to someone's face, not
behind their backs. I speak politely, reasonably, maturely, and then
I listen, politely, reasonably and maturely. Reasoned and mature
adults can exchange views and debate amicably and still sit down to
break bread or drink adult beverages together at the end of the day.

I am NOT combative. I do not like getting IN people's faces. I don't
like fighting. I ABHOR ill will and personal attack. Last night I was
in the company of a group of people, a great number of whom attacked
me, personally, viciously, en masse, because I am no great fan of
Kerry's.

WHY do people feel the need to attack personally, verbally and near
physically, just because others don't agree with them? We are NOT
stupid. We don't call them stupid (even if we think it inwardly).
Your thoughts here are well-written, well-thought-out, reasoned, and
mature. You GO Girl!

/rant

Respectful Blessings,

Skye DreamSinger

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sineater:

Thu, Nov. 4th, 2004, 06:18 pm
Too little, too late, but needs to be said.

One who attacks my lady is no friend of mine.

I want this to be known: Do not attack Skye and expect me to be your
friend. She is a part of me, and I of her.

I am especially upset when people attack her and are nice to me, or
cattily say they are not attacking.
(K, this part does not apply to you; I know you feel like you were
attacked even though you weren't, you were honest about attacking,
and I don't think you were thinking clearly.)
I can't trust someone who will be nice to me and then treat my lady
badly. I feel as though this is dishonest, a breach of trust. When I
see this happen, I know that knife is there, and I expect it, again
and again.

I am very tired of people, friends, relatives, acquaintances being
nice to me, and attacking Skye. She is my wife, my lady, and my love,
though I do not deserve her.