evile: I want this:
http://gypsymvp.com/braveheart.htm
SkyeDS: I bet.
evile: I think he's still in great britain. *sigh* He's so cute,
looks like my eris-kitty!
SkyeDS: wonder what they're askin
evile: 16,500
evile: but I think that's just to buy him, then you're still going to
pay to bring him overseas, quarantine, etc.
evile: And then after that, you've got about a mortage payments worth
of monthly expenses.
SkyeDS: why would anyone geld one is what I want to know
evile: *shrug*
evile: I've decided that _if_ I ever have a horse, it's going to be a
gelding.
SkyeDS: geldinga high dollar horse is a waste of investment
evile: *shrug* depends what you want him for.
evile: If you want an even tempered companion with strength & good
looks, I think a gelding is the way to go.
SkyeDS: yes
SkyeDS: but you don't geld a high dollar horse
SkyeDS: particularly not the draft/warms and the cold bloods
SkyeDS: you don't have to geld them to get even temper from them
evile: *shrug* doesn't seem like there are many vanner geldings
avail. in the US.
SkyeDS: that's automatic
SkyeDS: matter of fact most Friesian stallions are as well behaved if
not better behaved than most QH geldings
evile: Vanner geldings seem to be about 10 grand cheaper than
stallions.
SkyeDS: geldings are always cheaper than stallions
SkyeDS: you can't make money off them
SkyeDS: but Vanners are rare, so I don't see the point in gelding any
of them
evile: If I could afford a vanner, i would not be looking to make
money off one.
evile: I would not be interested in the fairly traumatic-looking
breeding process.
SkyeDS: ok, so let's say you end up with one of the few left in
existence, and then you can't breed it for the sake of the breed
evile: They are not dying off, they are actually increasing in
population. From waht I understand.
SkyeDS: but not to the point where they should be gelding yet.
SkyeDS: they nearly breed Friesians completely out of existance like
that
evile: I'm CF and sterilized, having a CF and sterilized mount seems
to make sense to me. :P
evile: Plus Braveheart is 5 and recently gelded, so he probably has
plenty of frozen stuff in storage somewhere.
SkyeDS: hope so.
SkyeDS: problem is, that's too late to geld a horse if you want to
change his temper
SkyeDS: you have to do that at the age of 2
SkyeDS: a warmblood light draft shouldn't be needed to be gelded to
change his temper
SkyeDS: so they did it for some other reason
evile: Maybe he has something they dont' want to pass on, but he's
not a bad horse in himself.
SkyeDS: can't think of any other reason
evile: the 'trickster' personality is not really a usual
characteristic for the breed.
SkyeDS: could be any number of things
SkyeDS: color, confirmation, eye color, some genetic illness that
can't be seen by the eye
evile: aww! http://gypsymvp.com/The%20Gypsy%20King%20and%20Piper%
205562F.jpg
SkyeDS: have said many times I'd rather put a small child on a Clyde
than a pony
evile: so sweet!!!
http://gypsymvp.com/The%20Gypsy%20King%20&%20Piper%205565D.jpg
evile: omFg!!
http://gypsymvp.com/Curraghmorestanding.jpg [https://web.archive.org/web/20040805213223/http://gypsymvp.com/Curraghmorestanding.jpg]
SkyeDS: I know Mirage will do that. And I don't think it would take
much work with Jez for her to let sineater do that.
evile: wow.
SkyeDS: Pat Parelli does that with Mustangs caught completely wild
he's only handled for 3 days
SkyeDS: (we aren't quite that insane)
evile: um...no.
evile: I had an interesting dream about [brother A]'s dog last night.
SkyeDS: ?
evile: Mom, Holly, and I were on Guadalupe near 4th, all getting into
Tom's purple trooper, and paulie jumped out of the car and ran away.
evile: Mom said 'leave him alone, he'll come home" but I saw him
running in traffic, so I ran after him. Eventually caught up with him
humping a bitch in heat on the sideewalk.
evile: I grabbed him and carried him back to the car, making some
remark to the effect that at least I can keep one male from a long
relationship with a crazy bitch.
evile: My subconscious mind is amusing sometimes.
SkyeDS: Fillies in this classification can be bred to certified
Vanner stallions and the filly foals resulting from that breeding
are eligible to be certified at the age of 2 years as a Gypsy Vanner
Horse, but all colts resulting from this breeding are to be
gelded.
SkyeDS: they might had to have gelded him
SkyeDS: I know the Friesian studbook does that
SkyeDS: and the Lippizaner.
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: there are even four "grades" of Arabian (A,B,C,D) and welsh
pony.
SkyeDS: hm
SkyeDS: there are cobs (under 14 hands)
SkyeDS: Vanners (14 - 15.2) and Drums 16+
SkyeDS: and then within the Vanners there are three subcategs.
SkyeDS: unless they're considering Cobs & Minis the same thing and
Grands and Drums the same thing
SkyeDS: I've seen places that didn't claim to be selling Vanners but
do claim to be selling Cobs & Drums
SkyeDS: (look exactly the same, only difference being height)
evile: *nod* The more I know about horses, the more I know I don't
know & have no business even thinking about it.
SkyeDS: lol well that's not knowledge necessary for the animal's
health happiness and well being
evile: No, that's about half a mortgage payment a month. easy!
SkyeDS: Traveller is the cheapest one they've got looks like and he's
in AR
SkyeDS: they've got a mare for not much more
SkyeDS: I would have to give thought as to whether I'd rather have a
mare or a stallion
SkyeDS: off top of head, would rather have stallion
SkyeDS: when it comes to Friesians and Vanners anyway.
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: not a morgan or an arab tho.
SkyeDS: you discuss things with a stallion, you ask things of a mare,
and you tell a gelding what to do.
SkyeDS: I need to breed Mirage soon if I'm going to at all, and Jez
shortly thereafter
evile: heh.
evile: My brain is so interesting. I told you that [rubber pig] proudly
calls herself "the crazy Jewish bitch" and says it's a term of
affection from the Exxon clerks? And then I managed to come up with
that exact phrase in a dream about Al's dog. heh. I had forgotten all
about that, then the dream.
SkyeDS: what was the dream from start to finish?
SkyeDS: (omfg, why would you do that, mix vanner with a quarter/arab
cross)
evile: The lady in MT was breeding them to Clydesdales.
evile: Apparently in MT her vanners are seen as too small to
be 'real' workhorses.
SkyeDS: I can see clydes, I can't see a quarab.
evile: The dream actually started with me helping [brother A] hide evidence
of a person he'd just killed in a big shower-building. Then the thing
with me, mom, & Holly getting into the trooper & paulie running away
through traffic to service a bitch in heat on the sidewalk. And then
me picking him up and saying something about 'at least Paulie is
having a short relationship with his crazy bitch' or something to
that effect.
SkyeDS: very literal dream
evile: I rather like it when my subconscious just comes right out and
says something.
SkyeDS: wish they were all that easy
evile: *nod*
evile: Even though it changed nothing in RL, I think it did help me
feel better about things.
SkyeDS: omg, sineater's friend David who owns dragons' lair, sells minis,
also sells Vanner/Cobs.
evile: oh wow. cool!
SkyeDS: drums are tempting because they're so big (17 hands or so
SkyeDS: cobs are tempting because they're Mirage/Jesse size lol
evile: yeah.
SkyeDS: Die Gelbe Rose had a black shire named Tara's Obsidian Lord
for a while, beautiful, all black, white socks
evile: aww! cool!
evile: I guess it all depends on what you are wanting to do with 'em.
evile: The lady in MT was breeding clydesdale mares to her vanner
stallion. Made sense to me--let the bigger animal be the mommy, make
birth easier that way.
SkyeDS: the bigger animal has to be the mommy
SkyeDS: you risk the mother otherwise
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: why it wouldn't be safe to breed a Friesian to Jesse as much
as I would like to
evile: yeah.
evile: that whole horse breeding thing just looks
so...unpleasant....for all concerned.
SkyeDS: Hugh has yet to make an appearance or call.
evile: is that unusual?
SkyeDS: highly
SkyeDS: I need to dig up his cell phone #
evile: does he have a paper calendar where he might have written an
appointment and then not told you?
SkyeDS: will look
evile: and then call up the troops :)
SkyeDS: sighs, nothing
SkyeDS: traveller is gorgeous, young, cheap (relatively) and in AR.
SkyeDS: and a stallion
SkyeDS: and he won't be but two inches taller than what I'm already
comfortable with (although I used to ride Clydes)
evile: *nod*
evile: but he'd be bigger than either of your girls, so not good
mating material, right?
SkyeDS: actually, no
SkyeDS: two inches isn't enough to matter
evile: Oh, OK.
SkyeDS: but I don't know what I"d get crossing a Vanner with a Morgan
or an Arab
SkyeDS: although I've seen it done, looking around today
evile: *nod* And then you'd have a baby to raise...eeps.
SkyeDS: the stallion I visited died last year :(
evile: aww. :(
SkyeDS: http://www.fantasyfriesiansinc.com/tjimme27.htm
evile: awww. 24 is a good long life for a horse, though, isn't it?
SkyeDS: 34 - 44 is a good long life
evile: oh...wow. Too bad.
SkyeDS: but it does vary to some extent with breed
evile: yeah.
SkyeDS: very cool: http://www.fantasyfriesiansinc.com/fantasyvisit.htm
evile: that would make a nice weekend visit :)
SkyeDS: my friends at Falconwood Farm in Texarkana had a pintabian
stallion named Rio Showtime
evile: pretty, I bet.
SkyeDS: arab crosses are popular, the most common being quarabs,
morabs, pintabians and arapaloosas.
evile: *nod*
evile: I swear, I'm going to have Dr. D. put me on major drugs when I
go see him Monday.
evile: latest fun symptom of depo withdrawal: the smell of food makes
me ill.
SkyeDS: that, is a problem :(
evile: coworker luncheon today, lots of open items out by the coffee
pot, right next to me in the next cube.
evile: Once I start eating, I am fine, but the smell makes me feel
very sick.
evile: If he puts me on premarin, I'll have to be sure & demand
synthetic.
evile: I've found all these websites bout all the horrible things
depo does WHILE people are taking it, but nothing about what happens
once you quit. I was fine on depo. not fine now.
SkyeDS: the exact same thing happened to me but in reverse
SkyeDS: I'm fine on a full pill but put me on progesterone only (like
depo) and I go into horrific menopause
evile: bizarre.
evile: I don't think Drs have even the faintest clue sometimes, what
works or why it works...
SkyeDS: no
SkyeDS: took me decades to convince doctors that pills helped my
migraines, not worsened them
SkyeDS: although a good 25% of female migraine sufferers, that is the
case
evile: that's just so frustrating.
evile: Good news--D and Lyle got to hear the baby's heartbeat for the
first time yesterday. 5 more weeks and they'll be able to say whether
it's a boy or girl.
SkyeDS: :D
evile: At least the military still gives decent health care coverage
to people.
SkyeDS: although we should be ashamed that there are military
families on AFDC
evile: Yeah....that sucks.
evile: people risk their lives for the country, least we can do is
pay them enough to feed their families.
SkyeDS: great, I cannot find where I put the card with his home and
cell numbers on it
SkyeDS: and it is strange, not even a word from him
evile: damn.
SkyeDS: one msg on the machine, he called at 9:30, machine cut him
off, only msg
SkyeDS: that would have been minutes before I walked in the door
evile: do you think you could *69 him? or have you gotten more calls
since then?
evile: mercury retro=technology is NOT your friend.
evile: sort of par for the course that the machine would not have
recorded a message
SkyeDS: he just walked in <sighs relief>
SkyeDS: took kid to doctor.
SkyeDS: figured might be kid or his dad, usually is.
evile: good.
evile: Oh man. I bet Erin is pissed right about now: CA voids SF same
sex marriages.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?
tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20040812/ap_on_re_us/gay_marriage_calif_6
SkyeDS: not surprised :(
evile: No. but..damn, it still sucks!
evile: I wonder what else went through today, that nobody will notice
because of this...
SkyeDS: voting populace = stupid
evile: sad but true.
evile: I can't wait to go home & hide under the covers.
SkyeDS: me neither
evile: I've just been so wiped out since last Monday. I wonder if I'm
ever going to have any energy again. Trying hard not to give it to
pointless worry & stuff.
SkyeDS: <hugs>
evile: *hugs* thanks.
evile: "worry is guilt turned inside out"
evile: both are rather pointless.
evile: it's hard to 'let go and let god'...but I have to do this.
Best for all concerned.
evile: Erin & Pace were getting handfasted next week. I wonder i f
they're still going to do it, now that Erin & Marca aren't 'really'
married anymore.
SkyeDS: under DOMA they weren't "really" married anyway unless they
stayed in CA
evile: yeah.
evile: Erin & Pace's 'post handfasting' party was one of 2 things I
was invited to on the 21st. ... not sure I'd be up for either one,
esp if the handfasting didn't happen after all.
evile: The other event is Terri A's b'day. She is not among my fave
people. I don't hate her or anything. But I'd probably feel like a
hypocrite at her party. OTOH, this would be the 3rd event at that
house I was invited to and didn't attend...
evile: first one was on 5/21, my bday weekend. 2nd one was in June,
was a baby shower/party. Now there's one that I don't have any other
plans, or major objections to the party's theme...but...enh.
evile: I should probably just follow my instincts, go hide under a
rock, and hope I still have a friend or two when I finally feel ready
to come back out.
evile: there's stuff I "should" do [social obligation type should] ,
stuff I want to do, and stuff that is good for me. A lot of stuff
that is good for me is not anything I want to do. Sometimes it's hard
to see what's a should & a good for me, even if I dont wanna.
SkyeDS: <looks clueless but attempts to be comforting>
evile: thanks :P
evile: there are plenty of 'should's that aren't good for me, and I'm
getting better about those. social entrapments with no benefit are
mostly out of my life... but I guess there will always be some things
I can't get out of that suck.
SkyeDS: I just sit in corners a lot
evile: sometimes it's the best possible option :)
evile: I think I really am going to go with 'under a rock' until
Labor day.
evile: Unless Dr. D comes up with a miracle cure. :P
evile: Well, I guess I'm going to push paper around some more & then
take off.
evile: sooooo glad tomorrow is Friday! Longest week EVAR.
SkyeDS: HUGS
evile: *hugs* have a good afternoon/evening :)
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