evile: yahoo sure is suckin' today. slow!!
SkyeDS: mornin :)
evile: how's work & stuff?
evile: I talked with my mom on the phone last night, then I went to
Krav Maga. I feel lots better about things today.
SkyeDS: is good
SkyeDS: sineater and I marvelled a little at things last night
evile: Oh yeah?
SkyeDS: well as you can imagine he isn't thrilled about any of this
either, the lack of logic is rather inescapable
evile: *nods*
evile: Mom says The Rubber Pig is in a lot of pain, spends most of her waking
time screaming and crying, Brother A is waiting on her hand and foot.
They're getting rid of Brother A's dog because he 'trips' her :(
evile: and supposedly the dog is also 'knocking down' the children. I
am not buying that for one freaking second.
SkyeDS: I am sorry about the screaming and crying pain, been there
and done that, but I don't really understand why get rid of the dog,
because I can think of other solutions
SkyeDS: but it's none of my business
evile: The Rubber Pig has been trying to get rid of the dog for a while, the
last atttempt she made was because she was 'allergic'.
SkyeDS: you know Larry, who is the manager over to the Guadalupe Half
Price books
SkyeDS: silver hair, silver eyes
evile: no.
SkyeDS: ok, well, the manager over to half price on guad is named
larry, and he has silver hair and silver eyes
evile: Ok
SkyeDS: and he had an amazon for many, many years
SkyeDS: and this woman married him
SkyeDS: and then she decided to have a baby
SkyeDS: so she made him sell his bird
SkyeDS: then a year later, she divorced him and took the kid
evile: That makes me so mad.
SkyeDS: so now he has no woman, no kid, no bird
SkyeDS: exactly
SkyeDS: I sent you a funny about kids today
evile: I got it :) very cute.
evile: Now, if one parent sent that to another, it would be giggles
all 'round and knowing looks. But if I posted that anywhere or sent
it to anyone, it would be "oh, the bitter barren hag! For shame!"
SkyeDS: why I didn't send it to anyone but you
evile: heh. point.
SkyeDS: I do try to operate somewhat appropriately, regardless of how
often I fail and I'm sure people think I don't (because of my failure
rate)
evile: Well, I guess it'll be healthier for the kids to be out of a
house where their mother is in constant crying screaming pain or
passed out.
But they love Paulie and they will be sad.
SkyeDS: I wager that she will still be in crying screaming constant
pain after the dog is gone
SkyeDS: it isn't impossible or even hard to keep the dog away from her
SkyeDS: what kind of dog are we talking about btw?
evile: I don't know. Mutt. shorthaired, small-to-medium. There's one
picture in my yahoo photo album that he's in. He was the ring bearer
at their 'wedding'.
SkyeDS: so we aren't talking about a rott, a pit, a chow or a dane,
or anything big
evile: nope.
SkyeDS: then that's bullshit
SkyeDS: and I am perfectly capable of separating it into its
component issues, which are not intermingled
SkyeDS: a) you can keep the dog away from her
evile: indeed.
if this works, the dog is the dark spot to Brother A's left, in front of
the photographer:
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/eekatfreaksdotnet/detail?.dir=/8368&.
dnm=819d.jpg
SkyeDS: b) it is not a threat to the kids (unless it's biting)
SkyeDS: c) I'm sorry she hurts
evile: Supposedly theyr'e going back to the Dr. to try and manage her
pain better. Maybe if that happens, Brother A will be able to cope with
taking care of her and the kids both and Aunt L wont' get screwed.
SkyeDS: Brother A just going to give his dog up just like that? even if
they go back to the doctor and work something out successfully?
evile: Who knows? Mom says he sounds utterly frazzled on the phone,
probably isn't thinking straight. For all I know the dog's already
gone.
SkyeDS: sineater would sell me before he sold Arthur
evile: Yeah...and if Sweetie ever made me choose between him and the
cats, I sure would miss him...
SkyeDS: we were approached by a breeder who pulled out a wad of
hundreds and started counting t hem out, he offered us like 3 times
what we paid for Arthur
evile: jeez.
SkyeDS: and sineater said, you can have her but you can't have Arthur
SkyeDS: the breeder pocketed his cash and said she isn't worth that
much
SkyeDS: they both thought they were very funny
evile: heh. I doubt you could be successfully bred to a parrot & lay
eggs & such. If you try it, please NEVER tell me....
SkyeDS: lol
evile: The Rubber Pig told this very cute story about her youngest getting
sick & in her little fevered state crying out for "Poi, poi!" (that's
how she says "Paulie")
evile: It's going to break their little hearts to lose him.
SkyeDS: that's just wrong.
evile: But nothing is about the kids well being or happiness,
apparently. It'sa ll about The Rubber Pig. I'm sorry she's sick and I'm sorry
she's h urting,but part of being a mom is sucking it up and doing
what you can for your kids.
SkyeDS: I'm sorry for her too
SkyeDS: it isn't like I don't know what crying screaming pain is like
SkyeDS: I DO know what it's like, and have found no reason to get rid
of Arthur or the girls
evile: I learned at an early age that crying and screaming just get
you beat more, so I suck it up and dont' cry in front of people.
SkyeDS: I wouldn't get rid of Arthur or the girls if I ended up
quadriplegic
evile: I don't get it. I feel bad for being so unsympathetic, but if
it was me in her shoes, I just don't think I would be making the same
decisions & I don't see how she can do it.
SkyeDS: the issue with the dog has nothing to do with
empathy/sympathy for her pain.
SkyeDS: and it is a deliberately constructed strawman to tie the two
together
evile: well, like I said, she's been trying to get rid of Paulie for
awhile now, since before the back injury.
SkyeDS: it's like talking about some completely unrelated business at
CMA and having the whiner say "but what about the chirren"
evile: I can see it very clearly, but obviously I'm not being worn to
a frazzle dealing with 3 kids and a wife in pain.
evile: I just hate it that Brother A is being taken advantage of and Aunt L
is being taken advantage of and those poor little kids are stuck
dealing with consequences of decisions they can't make for themselves
yet...
SkyeDS: making a man and/or kids get rid of a beloved companion is
just wrong
evile: yeah. I understand they are living in a small space, but
surely there's a way to keep him from getting underfoot when she
leaves the bed...
SkyeDS: is the space too small to have her in one room and the dog
anywhere but that room?
SkyeDS: because if it is they have no business having 3 children in
that space either
evile: Nobodys' been invited over, but I am under the impression it's
a 2 bedroom apt.
evile: Kids in 1, The Rubber Pig & Brother A in the other, Trey on the couch (?)
evile: Well, from what I can tell, The Rubber Pig has no business having 3
kids, Brother A has no business playing 'husband' and 'father' in this non-
legal unofficial union, and everyone should just part and call it a
day. But that's just me.
evile: And, as you know, any idiot with a uterus can open her legs
and squirt out as many screaming kids as she wants, and it's wrong to
impose any sort of limits on someone's reproductive freedom, whether
they can afford to raise them or not.
SkyeDS: nonlegal unofficial?
SkyeDS: I thought they got married
evile: they had a ceremony. There is no divorce from Trey, there is
no marriage license.
evile: Okay, I think I figured out what bugs me, or maybe I'm just
rephrasing: You are familiar with screamng crying pain, you have your
share of health problems, but unlike The Rubber Pig, you do not demand every
bit of sineater's time and attention over it to the neglect/exclusion of
your children.
SkyeDS: wtf
SkyeDS: I'm even familiar with being a whinybaby and wanting to be
taken care of (I do my fair share of that and probably more than)
evile: You go lay up with your heating pad, ice pack, meds, hot tea,
whatver, and tell sineater "Go spend time with the kids, take care of our
babies" and that's that. You know when to suck it up and make sure
your other mutual responsibilities are taken care of.
evile: I dont' see/hear of The Rubber Pig doing that.
evile: You and sineater both place the health/happiness of Arthur and the
horses above your own. You know they depend on you for everything,
and you honor that responsibility.
SkyeDS: but they are the centers of our lives
SkyeDS: which many people criticize us for
SkyeDS: wtf is with this no divorce and no marriage license
SkyeDS: and why then some ceremony before her surgery
SkyeDS: she sounds like a new age white light fluffy bunny fruitcake
evile: [dad] is writing (or has written) Brother A a letter demanding
details. I think that's a bad idea...it's just going to make The Rubber Pig
mad and Brother A defensive.
evile: She was worried that she would not be able to walk after the
surgery, so wanted wedding photos that reflected her standing up.
SkyeDS: I can empathize with [dad], and you are undoubtedly right
evile: As far as I'm able to without playing babysitter/ATM/doormat,
I am going to try and stay on good terms with The Rubber Pig & Brother A...Brother A
needs support wherever he can get it at this point.
SkyeDS: for fucks sake! it sounds like to me, she has less reasoned
maturity than either you or I had at the tender age of what, 5?
SkyeDS: Brother A can't live like that for long, he will need people to
turn to and places to go when he has his epiphany
evile: She is very childlike. For the most part, it's a charming
trait. She and Brother A have a lot of fun.
evile: And I guess as long as Trey doesn't mind hanging around
being 'daddy' for these two kids, things will be just great. But, her
health is putting a dent in their fun, bigtime, and I imagine Trey
will get tired of his grownup role shortly.
SkyeDS: this turns me into my mother
SkyeDS: glasses off, brows knit, eyes shut, rubbing bridge of nose
painfully, going, wtf?
SkyeDS: well...not the wtf part, that's me
evile: their situation? Making you say uncharacteristic disapproving
socialite Taurus things? heh. Maybe your mom knew what the heck she
was talking about at some point... :P
SkyeDS: I suspect both my geminian aspects and my taurian aspects are
offended
SkyeDS: it offends both logic and responsibility
evile: This makes no sense to me. I understand that Brother A is 100%
committed, divorce/marriage or not. He believes it's real, so to him
it really IS.
SkyeDS: ok, but why be stupid about it
evile: Brother A "Gravity only works on other people" []? stupid?
heh.
evile: I love him to death and beyond, I would kill or die for
him...but the boy aint' got the common sense god gave sawdust
SkyeDS: sawdust lol
evile: tell me I'm wrong... Brother A absolutely refuses to learn from
others' mistakes, or extrapolate any sort of cause & effect in his
own life. He barely learns from his own mistakes.
SkyeDS: he just strikes me as having never grown up in many ways
evile: "Brother A, see the bodies at the bottom of this cliff? Many people
have attempted this jump. None have made it."
"Oh, but I will!" says little Brother A. "those other people just didn't
know as much about jumping off cliffs as *i* do!"
SkyeDS: nods
evile: The boy makes me crazy. It was one thing when it was his own
life to fuck up, but now he's got others to think of....who, IM
(barren hag)O need to take precedence
SkyeDS: poor kids (and poor dog)
evile: yup.
evile: Oh well. Aunt L gets them Wednesday (Brother A & The Rubber Pig are driving
them up) and I will then begin a countdown to the day she calls me to
take them off her hands because she's going nuts...
SkyeDS: nods
evile: Mom thinks that Aunt L isn't telling her the whole
situation....I have no idea . I'm concerned because I haven't heard
an *end* date to this little 'taking care of the kids for a while'
thing...
SkyeDS: I'm sure she hasn't
SkyeDS: I'm sure she knows how bad what little she has said sounds to
the rest of us
evile: And I'm concerned because Brother A & his family have *no* legal
right to these children. The Rubber Pig could decide at any time to yank them
away, file charges, make shit up, whatever....if she got
crazy/vengeful enough....
SkyeDS: hadn't even thought about that :(
evile: ironically, the point came to me when I was talking with Aunt L
about the [x] children. She advised me against spending any
further time with them because X could coach them to allege abuse,
etc. and really fuck me over.
evile: And now Aunt L is putting herself in a similar (but not
identical,of course) situation....so I have to throw her advice back
in her face at some point, I guess....
SkyeDS: would prefer to think of it as returning it gently...
evile: well, who knows how it will be taken? I'll mention it as
tactfully as I can manage (not good at tact) and see what happens...
evile: Uncle Bubba was right, Brother A is getting the Kosher Shnitzel.
And so is Aunt L :(
SkyeDS: and not a damn thing we can do to stop it
evile: nope. Oh, I just remembered one more thing. This will curl
your hair: apparently they're filing a lawsuit against the dr. who
did the back surgery and are going to make millions. Do they know how
much $ it will take to 'win' their suit? Do they realize how long a
malpractice suit can drag on? NUTS! they are both so 'pie in the
sky' it makes me crazy!
evile: But to Brother A & The Rubber Pig that lawsuit is already money in the bank!
SkyeDS: just put your head down on your desk
SkyeDS: it will make everything better.
evile: *headdesktequilashot*
evile: As a legal professional, with your current area of practice,
I'm sure you know even more about such things than I do...and even I
know that this is like people in hell wanting ice water...
evile: sue a doctor because he did such a good job on your back that
he reduced your hospital recovery time from a month to 2 days? yeah...
evile: a surgery that 'the story' said 'might' leave her crippled,
and she's walking? and able to make a car trip to & from Austin
tomorrow to dump her kids? I dont' think she has ground 1 for a suit.
evile: Yes, the problems with pain management are distressing, but
nowhere approaching malpractice at this point...
SkyeDS: they won't have problems finding a lawyer
evile: with what $$?
SkyeDS: probably contingency, a usurious 33 1/3%
SkyeDS: "you don't pay us until we win"
SkyeDS: at least two years in litigation
evile: well, after they win, 10 years from now, they certainly will
be 'set for life' won't they? *headdesktequilashot*
SkyeDS: and no way in hell they'll win unless she turns up lame for
life
evile: as far as I can tell, shes ambulatory. Not much beyond bed to
toilet and back, but if she's making the car ride to Austin tomorrow,
it can't be that bad....
SkyeDS: I doubt they intend to play this honestly
evile: no way they could win if they were honest.
evile: Seems so very WRONG to put a competent surgeon through
something like that....
SkyeDS: it is. detrimental to a good surgeon and all his other
patients
evile: *sigh*
evile: Oh well. [cousin B] might come to the picnic Sunday if he can get a
ride up :) That'll be fun.
evile: And I've been seeing a lot of nice big 'gypsy' earrings at
Target & Claires & such lately.
SkyeDS: haven't gone shopping in a long while
SkyeDS: I want to buy a corset like yours
SkyeDS: just have to put mine up on ebay
evile: I am hoping that when I'm done with Krav Maga, I'll be a good
size to shop again. Right now, it's pretty depressing.
evile: Sunshine dragged me into Hot Topic on Sunday, and tried to
talk me into trying on a bodice...I just couldn't do it.
SkyeDS: you could be custodian of my corsets for as lon gas you
wanted them
SkyeDS: but I doubt you're that big
evile: I have no idea. My proportions have changed lately.
SkyeDS: the black one is a 40 and the purple and red ones are 38s
evile: I've been keeping up with taking my measurments 1ce a month,
and weighing in about every 2 weeks, but I really don't want to
translate that into clothing sizes at this point.
SkyeDS: the purple and red ones have never been worn either
evile: Can probably sell them on ebay for more by keeping them unworn.
SkyeDS: if you don't like them can't wear them yep
evile: well, we should definitely get together & try on at some point
then :)
SkyeDS: nodnod
evile: Maybe if you still don't have plans for Sat. July 3...that's
your next free weekend, right? We can try on, mallrat, whatever,
whatever.?
SkyeDS: yepyep
evile: Well, pencil it in & unless you get a better offer, we're on
for July 3 :)
SkyeDS: k :)
evile: That night is the monthly Voyagers party, too, if the topic
turns out to be of interest or whatever ;)
evile: Just got a note from J-Law. Looks like we're all on the same
page re: Paulie:
Not to be a nag, but I think Brother A needs some "official encouragement"
(i.e., arm-twisting and browbeating) to find another home (permanent
or
foster) for the dog rather than surrender him/her to the animal
shelter.
Owner-surrendered pets often get only 24 hours before they get
euthanized, especially in crowded shelters.
If that dog dies as a result of his spinelessness, I will never be
able
to look Brother A in the eye again as long as I live.
SkyeDS: amen!!!
evile: I think I will ask Uncle B to bring up that topic w/Brother A. I
honestly don't think I could talk about it without either getting mad
or crying.
SkyeDS: you and Sweetie could take the dog temporarily or we could, or
maybe Aunt L & Uncle B could
SkyeDS: if I were Aunt L, I'd offer to take the dog and not the kids
<shrug>
evile: Thank you :) I will tell Aunt L & Uncle B that. I'm with you.
Paulie's a very sweet dog, very submissive & shy...I can't imagine
him being as much of a rambunctious nuisance Brother A/The Rubber Pig says he's
being.
SkyeDS: wouldn't satisfy Sweetie's craving for a puppy or would it
evile: nope. He doesn't like Paulie.
SkyeDS: damn, that would have been a tidy solution
evile: But I'm sure that Sweetie would agree that us taking the dog
temporarily is better than euthanizing him...
evile: We've done that, we know that SUCKS. even when the dog is old
and in pain and there's no other choice...
evile: I will call Aunt L as soon as I get home & let her know that
there are some options for Paulie. He loved it out in NM, running in
the big fields. He's used to being a country dog.
SkyeDS: could probably give him to my neighbors, who are in the pet
sitting business and have a large family of dogs already
evile: not the people with mange?
SkyeDS: no no
evile: good :)
SkyeDS: Connie & Wayne, the friendly ones
evile: Paulie had a 'pack' in NM, was very happy. Was very unhappy to
come to the city with a little yard and no pack. Was happy again to
have the kids be his new 'pack'.
SkyeDS: he'd have a pack and 10 acres to run around on (not counting
my 11 where he's also welcome)
evile: I will convey your offer. I'm sure Brother A will be very grateful,
not to mention L&B for not having to accept that burden along with
the kids.
evile: It's been a while, but I think the reason we couldn't take
Paulie last time this came up ("allergies") is because he jumps and
we dont' have much of a fence on one side of our back yard. I'll have
to ask Sweetie to refresh my memory...but I think that was the problem.
SkyeDS: no fences there for him to jump
SkyeDS: and Connie doesn't let them out without direct supervision
ever
evile: very cool.
evile: I know I am assuming too much evil & Macchiavellian aspects to
her, but I'm wondering if The Rubber Pig is just testing to see how much she
can get Brother A to give up for her... or seeing if she can get him to
kill Paulie 'for her'....
SkyeDS: regardless of what her intention or lack thereof, the result
to Paulie is the same
evile: exactly.
evile: I have no signal on my cell at work today, or I'd call now. I
think Uncle B is the best person to mention Paulie alternatives because
he's the best at being tactful, telling people what needs to be said,
without putting them on the defensive & getting them all stubborn &
assy in the process.
SkyeDS: nods
evile: I feel all cowardly & hypocritical for not calling Brother A
directly...but I just don't trust myself to be reasonable, and from
what Mom says, he's frazzled enough already without getting any crap
from bossy big sister knowitall.
SkyeDS: use the right tool for the job, if you care about doing the
job right
evile: Uncle B definitely has better communication skills than me.
SkyeDS: yepyep
SkyeDS: better than you me and sineater probably
evile: (like, that's his job and stuff...so, yeah.)
evile: sineater or I might be tempted to smack him somewhere along with
all our good intentions & advice.... :(
SkyeDS: and I would be tempted to hand you the frying pan
evile: heh. I might even be tempted to use it. But no amount of
pounding has gotten any sense into his head as of yet, and I've been
pounding a good while now...
SkyeDS: nods
evile: *sigh* happy thoughts happy thoughts...trying very hard to
have happy thoughts....
evile: I really hope Sunday turns out well. I need to go to the
grocery store tonight & get started collecting ingredients. Not
tomention we need regular stuff now, too. Cats ran out of crunchies
this a.m. and I dont' want them doing hte 'out of crunchies' dance on
my head at 3 a.m.
SkyeDS: lol
evile: "it's the end of the world! We're starving to death! How can
you sleep at a time like this!? Meow meow!"
SkyeDS: feed dogs, they think you're god. feed cats, they think
they're god.
evile: heh, it's true.
evile: And who knows,maybe they're right. I'm sure I was a priest/ess
of Bast in some past life, otherwise why would I have chosen once
again to serve cats in this one? :)
SkyeDS: I was probably a priestess of Hathor and Shamu in past livfes
SkyeDS: (cow, whale)
evile: :P quit that.
SkyeDS: :P
evile: Hathor was a pretty big time goddess in her time, and from
what I understand the killer whale has a big place in the Pacific
Northwest peoples' spirituality.
evile: And you've already mentioned the whole Venus of Willendorf
thing. Just because you're not fitting today's standards
of ...whatever...does not mean jack. Be happy, be healthy,do whatever
you need to do to be both of those things, and everybody else can go
piss up a rope.
SkyeDS: otay :)
evile: Only got so long on this planet this life...so it's not enough
time to please everyone, ya know?
SkyeDS: yep
evile: Nice thing about being in my 30s--I find myself really
honestly caring very little for the opinions of most people.
evile: I do want to be healthier though...hopefully the Krav Maga
will help (unless it kills me...)
SkyeDS: I noticed low carb microwave meals
SkyeDS: we only started talking about them what five years ago?
SkyeDS: $3.50 ea
evile: heh. If only we'd had the resources to design & market such,
we'd be set for life now...
evile: what gets me is they arent' all that low carb...when you read
the actual carb counts on some of the boxes.
evile: You can get regular micro. lunches that are just as LC as the
ones labeled that way.
evile: same with other products. LC peanut butter=5 carbs and $4 a
jar. regular PB, 7carbs and $2. lotsa $ for only 2 fewer carbs...
evile: When I put together my own LC lunches, it's about 6-7 carbs.
about half to a third of the carbs in the prepkged 'LC' lunches
SkyeDS: 10 lc foods in the store last year as opposed to more than
1550 this year
SkyeDS: according to Time
evile: that's pretty amazing.
SkyeDS: Time is always the last to find out, about anything lol
SkyeDS: hm. yahell was hacked this morning.
evile: aha. That might explain the wacky slowness of everything there
today.
evile: seems better this afternoon.
SkyeDS: yep
evile: I thought it was slow because of the email upgrade they did...
evile: brb, gotta take an appeal in the lobby.
evile: that wasn't so bad...
evile: just someone wanting to turn in their appeal by hand. Last
time i went down, the guy wanted me to hold his hearing right then &
there...
SkyeDS: yuck
evile: we get all the crazies :P
evile: he had driven all the way to Austin from Houston, too. I felt
pretty bad about it...but RTF determination...it says right there at
the bottom what to do, yaknow?
SkyeDS: nods
evile: I really do think we need State Black Ops...kill all the
people too stupid to function in society.
evile: well, hallelujia! It's about time for me to scoot on out of
here. :)
SkyeDS: :)
evile: Thanks so much for letting me bitch. I feel a lot better now
that Paulie has some options. The rest of Brother A's life can go down the
shitter but it seems the innocents in this will be protected.
SkyeDS: make phone call minute you get home, nods
evile: Will do. *hugs* thanks again :)
SkyeDS: Hugs :)
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