1723posted in Austin Poly

 

 

 

4 Nov. 1:45 pm

 

 

From: "evilE"
Date: Tue Nov 4, 2003 2:07 pm
Subject: sort of a general thank you & stuff


So...I am getting sterilized tomorrow.

I'd worried & fretted about this in the past because my partner is 4
yrs younger than me and male, so his fertility is on a longer
timeline than mine. I worried because I thought "Oh, what if he
decides he wants a baby later on in life?"

Well, thanks to the wonderful poly folks I've met and talked with, I
realize that my fertility choices don't have to limit his, if he
decides he wants to be a father sometime down the line.

I don't know how I'll deal with not only another woman, but a child
(or children) taking his time, energy, & resources. But at least I
know that it's a possibility and I'm not closing the door on any of
HIS possibilities by making my choice.

So...I'm glad this group exists & glad this lifestyle choice is
there, whether Sweetie decides it's for him or not.

Thanks for letting me share... I feel like a dork now.
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got this reply to me alone:

Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 14:32:28 -0600
From: "CrystalBell" <crystalbell@adnc.com>
To: eekatfreaksdotnet@yahoo.com
Subject: hi

evilE ..I wanted this b/c .. just to say .. don't ever worry about
not having children .. it's more about YOU ... YOU need to do for you
what's right .. and choosing as you have that is a lot involved ..
Depending on what all you are having .. and your age, don't let this
affect you chemically in your body .. I speak from experience.. I am
now 49 and had to have a radical hysterectomy when I was 24 .. it was
life or death due to cancer .. But I put my mind to it and beat it
with out any of the radiation or kemo .. BUT due to the "loss" of
anything womanly, my body also decided to be 100 yrs old... My dr. <
smart man he was > got me on estrogen 1 mth later .. I still take it
today and you would never know how old I am .. I have been told I
look 30 and act 25 .. Your sweetie will be by your side as long as
YOU take care of YOU and do what you need .. As for sharing him with
others ... ;-) ... Personally it is the best way to have life .. I
prefer a triad over any other relationship and I have been in both ..
Don't forget .. YOU will also be able to share the other woman, as a
friend, confidant, possibly lover .. and the child < ren> will be
yours too .. That is what it is all about .. ;-) ...SO you take care
and be secure in your mind that YOU are the most important person in
YOUR life.. Sierra
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Wierd. Jen said something similar, about adopting or fostering, bla
bla, but what I really meant to say is if HE wants a baby, HE can
have one. I don't and I don't want any of the associated baggage,
either.

Oh well, I'm not going to reply to this nice lady who is trying so
hard to be supportive & sweet.

here's how I set Jen straight:
========================
Oh, no, if Sweetie wants babies, it'll be Sweetie's babies
(and the other person's) Not mine. I don't ever want
to be burdened with feeding, clothing, housing,
nurturing and cleaning up after a kid. He's younger
than me and as a male his fertility will be
longer...so if he ever decides he wants kids, it will
be on him and the other person to be the parents. I
don't know how I feel about sharing his time, energy,
and resources with another adult, let alone a
kid...but I won't take that choice away from him and
say "you can never be a father." If he wants to father
children, he can. Just not with me and not in our
house. I guess that's wierd...

One of the Austin polys is going through this right
now--the male of a partnered, living-together couple
has knocked up his girlfriend and now the 3 of them
are looking for a new place, big enough for the
non-mom to have her own space. The 'primary partner'
woman is very childfree. It'll be interesting to see
how/if the relationship survives.

1724Eriskegal / Ereshkigal, Sumerian Goddess of Death

4 Nov. 6:52 pm

 

 

I have found a goddess with whom to identify...sortakinda. I like the
part about how since she is a death goddess, being pregnant was agony
and she was unable to complete the act. Very...relevant

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ERISKIGAL (Arkkadian: ALLATU[M]) "Great Lady of Desire," Lady of the
Great Place": female Goddess of the Netherworld, sister, and perhaps
rival, of Inana/Ishtar; later she is made the wife of Nergal, god of
pestilence; however she is also associated with other spouses such as
Gulgalanna, Namtar, even Nanna as Su'en "Lord of Wisdom". Gulgalanna
is also said to be her son. Her 'Palace' is GANZIR, "the Gate-way to
the Underworld." There is not much information about her cult
(although it was probably subsumed into the later cult of Nergal) but
there are very early temples associated with her: KIDBABBARE "the
land where the moon leaves;" and KINAMTARRIDA "the place of the
fate." There may be a relationship between Ereskigal and
Nammu, 'second' wife of An and mother of Enki.

[from "Babyloniana: A Mesopotamian Magickal Practicum"
by Kalyn Tranquilson]





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Ereshkigal ("She Who Wails") seems more archaic than Persephone or
Hel. Unlike those latter-day Goddesses, She was the Queen of the
Underworld long before She was joined by a male god.

When Nergal, the unsparing god of pestilence, arrived to give
Ereshkigal a throne upon which to sit and give judgement, She offered
Him food, drink, a footbath, and enticed Him with Her body.
Eventually He succumbed and they slept with each other for seven
days. Enraged when He wished to leave Her, She sent Namtar, Her
messenger and vizier, to heaven to request that the Gods send Nergal
to Her to be punished as one of the few favors She had ever received.
If they would not, She threatened to raise the dead who would then
eat and outnumber the living. Nergal was brought back to become Her
consort. In some versions of the myth, Nergal took control of
Namtar's attendant demons, grabbed Ereshkigal from her throne by the
hair, and threatened to decapitate her. In this position she proposed
marriage to him. In both versions he accepted, they were married, and
he became her consort.

So terrifying was She that the Sumerians never described Her in any
detail, though the Babylonians said that when She was enraged, Her
lips were black and Her face livid blue.

When Inanna descended to the Underworld, Ereshkigal dealt with Her as
She dealt with all newcomers to the Land of the Dead: At each of the
gates of the Underworld, Inanna was ordered to remove a piece of
jewelry or clothing until She stood before Ereshkigal naked.

Ereshkigal fixed Inanna with the Eye of Death and spoke a single word
that slew Her instantly, then hung Her nude corpse on a spike.

The Goddess of Death had swallowed up the Goddess of Life. But having
done so, She began to suffer the pains of childbirth. Yet the Goddess
of Death could not give birth, so She lingered in misery.

At last one of the gods, growing anxious over Inanna's failure to
return, created two special beings to go to the Underworld and rescue
Her. Being made as sexless neuters, the creatures did not violate the
laws of the land of Death.

They found Ereshkigal in Her fruitless labor. They sympathized with
Her pain, echoing Her cries and complaints. Grateful for their
attentions, Ereshkigal offered them any gift they wanted. They asked
for no gift but Inanna's body, still hanging from its stake. The
Goddess of Death gave it to them. Only then was Inanna restored to
life.

Belit-tseri, the female tablet-scribe, knelt before Ereshkigal and
Sumuquan, the cattle god resided in Her underworld court. Heroes and
priests resided there, as well, and mighty kings served others food.
So we can see that Ereshkigal had actual, not referred, power. She
ruled death as an equal portion of the span from creation to
destruction. She judged and commanded both men and women. She had
sexual autonomy and authentic agency. She acknowledged and displayed
Her rage without apology. She had genuine bargaining power and was
able to use it even under extreme duress.

1725X always was the trendy one

5 Nov. 4:42 am

 

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?
storyID=3532686&thesection=news&thesubsection=general

'Mum and dad' type drug operations increasing say police

05.11.2003
By AINSLEY THOMSON
An increasing amount of the record number of methamphetamine labs
busted this year are 'mum and dad'
type operations, say police.
Figures released today showed 146 methamphetamine labs have been
closed down so far this year
compared with 147 for the whole of last year.
And police say the labs which were traditionally the domain of gangs
are now commonly being found in
the homes of 'mums and dads'.
Detective Sergeant Mike Beal, from the Auckland drug squad, said in
the past two years there has been an
increasing amount of people trying to manufacture the drug.
"Three or four years ago we had a hard core group of manufacturers.
Guys with the nous. What has
happened since is the level of knowledge has degenerated."
The labs inside homes was also exposing an increasing amount of
children to the toxic chemicals
involved.
The risk was highlighted on Saturday when two young children had to
be decontaminated after police
found them reeking of chemicals in a Hamilton apartment being used as
a methamphetamine lab.
Mr Beal said the drug squad had come across labs in family homes
where children were sleeping in rooms
next to where chemicals were being stored.
"And the manufacturing is taking place on the kitchen bench and the
chemicals are being stored in the
fridge."
There was also the risk of children being poisoned by consuming the
chemicals - many of which are clear
liquids, he said.
He was aware of situations of police finding children in labs and
having to refer them to have medical
check-ups.
"People who have the disposition towards manufacturing and
distributing drugs aren't normally the kind
of people who have much conscience about their children."
The National Drug Intelligence Bureau say there are no statistics on
the numbers of children involved.
However, Detective Inspector Gary Knowles, who heads the bureau, said
he was hearing more frequently
of labs where children had been present.
Children's Commission Cindy Kiro said the question of how to protect
children from the drug industry
was something the office of the Commissioner for Children would work
more actively with police on.
She said she had met with the Police Commissioner and the Drug
Foundation and discussed the problems
P was causing children.