1) Adult females stuck in "I'm a Princess, Rescue Me" mode [your choices in relating to a person who insists on living in this story: knight/prince, evil stepfamily, evil monster, or, if you can keep being entertaining and helpful and do everything they want, when they want you to, you can be a loyal servant or a 'magickal object'...of course, as soon as you say 'no' or want something for yourself, you get to be evil stepfamily or terrible dragon. Women who play Princess Rescue Me all their lives don't have friends, they have servants, magical objects, persecutors, and rescuers. There is no such thing as an authentic relationship with these poor helpless (manipulative, passive agressive) little victims]
2) The Silent Treatment. [I've pondered this one before, the 'silent treatment' vs the 'no contact rule'. What it boiled down to for me was that silent treatment is someone being manipulative and passive aggressive and trying to control another person by withholding themselves and avoiding constructive dialogue and communication. Whereas 'no contact' involves shutting down access to yourself after someone has proven themselves to be toxic when given said access. If everything you say or do becomes ammunition for the other person to hurt you with, then it's likely that 'no contact' is a good idea. If one person is a toxic abuser and the other one just wants to be left alone, The Silent Treatment is a very good self-protecting thing to do. If there are two people who basically respect and care about each other and want to have a good relationship, but some misunderstanding or hurt feelings have come up, then the Silent Treatment is a Bad Sign.]
3) Hypocrisy. (yes, I know.)
2) The Silent Treatment. [I've pondered this one before, the 'silent treatment' vs the 'no contact rule'. What it boiled down to for me was that silent treatment is someone being manipulative and passive aggressive and trying to control another person by withholding themselves and avoiding constructive dialogue and communication. Whereas 'no contact' involves shutting down access to yourself after someone has proven themselves to be toxic when given said access. If everything you say or do becomes ammunition for the other person to hurt you with, then it's likely that 'no contact' is a good idea. If one person is a toxic abuser and the other one just wants to be left alone, The Silent Treatment is a very good self-protecting thing to do. If there are two people who basically respect and care about each other and want to have a good relationship, but some misunderstanding or hurt feelings have come up, then the Silent Treatment is a Bad Sign.]
3) Hypocrisy. (yes, I know.)
well said.
Date: 2011-07-12 07:14 pm (UTC)have met more than a few.. usually as friends of friends (to whom i have to say 'thats not really a friend.. no really'..but have learned to refrain)
Re: well said.
Date: 2011-07-12 10:35 pm (UTC)Some of us need a more dimentional and nuanced role in life, one which allows growth and change and learning and depth of connection, not to mention different folks to take center stage, instead of All Princess All The Time.
Re: well said.
Date: 2011-07-15 02:13 pm (UTC)And, I do my best to not be close to Sparkle Ponies, so if it looks like I'm hanging with a Sparkle Pony, ask me about that person. Again, there may be more going on than you're seeing.
Re: well said.
Date: 2011-07-15 02:54 pm (UTC)But that is *me* and *my* perception and preference. I have learned thru many repititions that I cannot 'save' people and it's disrespectful & wrong to try.
If I see a freind being taken advantage of or mistreated by someone they care about, I will mention the behavior that concerns me but I won't harp on it or push them to dump that person, or whatever.
Or at least that is how I have commited to *try* and handle those situations.
You are absolutely right, I don't know the whole story, and for the most part, it's none of my business, unless it starts to harm the relationship between me and the person I care about.
Thanks for chiming in on this :)
Re: well said.
Date: 2011-07-15 04:41 pm (UTC)I'll keep that in mind ..we've been traveling largely in different circles for some time now but should happy circumstances bring our paths close enough so that through regular contact I conclusively observe any such thing I (and presumably a host of other folks who
Re: well said.
Date: 2011-07-15 06:35 pm (UTC)I think just as there are professional victims (princesses, sparkle ponies, narcissists, sociopaths, whatever you wanna call em), there are also professional helpers/rescuers/codependent enablers.
It's not my thing, but if it's someone else's, and it's not hurting meor taking something away from me, I just need to leave it alone. No one is paying me to be the Howard Cosell of the Skankalympics.