evile

 

Rant Number: 43894
When:
What kind: Note to lurking breeders
Where: the election

Ok, Republican breeders. You got your way again. But think on this:

Abortions aren't moral? Is that what you'll say if your daughter gets
raped? In that situation, the abortion question won't be "will I or
won't I?" but "Should I use Visa or Mastercard to pay it off?"

Oh, and should your dear, dear darling come down with a case of
cancer, well -oops!- we were going to get around to finding a cure,
but it would involve stem cells. And that's a big no-no. Looks like
you're going to have to watch your baby wither away through a
horrible, painful death. Thanks, Mom and Dad!

Oh, and that "No Child Left Behind" act that Bush loves to talk
about, but hasn't gotten around to fund yet? Ask your kiddies'
teachers why they don't support it. Or, better yet, ask Kiddie
himself why he hasn't gotten to writing his own name yet because
Teacher must wrangle the Shoulda-Been-Left-Behinds and get them to
settle down after the Ritalin has worn off.

Bravo, Republican breeders, I suppose I should be glad that you
managed to amble your way to the polls in your placenta-brained haze.
But this means you have no right to complain when you have to pay
through the nose for your kid's antibiotics when he gets the
sniffles. You've no right to complain when talk about the draft
starts up again. You've no right to complain when your children's
schools are poorly funded. You've no right to complain when you can't
get a job in this economy and the Mrs. is knocked up again. You had
four years to wake up and see how this administration was affecting
your children. Now you'll have four more years with Bush to enjoy.
Enjoy raising your children in a world of fear, where they will be
hated by citizens of other countries, and be kept blissfully ignorant
by the Bush administration and media.

Enjoy it, and keep your damn mouths shut when it all goes to hell.

Kaye

 

Wow. hard to believe there's more than one Xtal out there in the
world..

http://www.fred.net/turtle/cgi-bin/listonerant?start=40781

Rant Number: 40781
When: A few weeks ago
What kind: I just wanna flame
Where: At my friend's house
You know, when we became roommates nearly a decade ago, I thought
this was a friendship that could last a lifetime. I was there when
you met your husband, there to help you with that inpromptu wedding,
and raced across two states to be there for the birth of your first
child. You asked me to be its godparent...I knew in my heart I would
do anything for our little extend-a-family, Then, everything changed.
Suddenly, I didn't know ANYTHING about children, according to you,
because I had failed to breed -you superior bitchy backyard dillante!
Lets not forget, I reminded you, nicely, that I have been taking care
of kids since I was out of fucking diapers, and then continued to do
my civic duty by working with abused children, etc. etc. But I
conceeded that you were the parent, that you were the one who would
know your child best. So if something bothered me, I would try to be
concise and factual without trying to vilianize your pathetic
parenting skills. I had faith that you would learn in time, like most
parents, because you loved your kid, and that's what parents do,
right? WRONG: I was patient when you ASKED your INFANT if it wanted
to go home after you drove 3 hours to come visit us. It said YES and
after three minutes of "Howdy Do?" You all were back in that fucking
car waving like prom queens with that "Aw shucks" shit eating grin on
your faces. It was past midnight, and you were hitting the road
again!. I was there for every birthday, every school event, every
party, where your little shitty brat screamed its little heart out
and ran around hitting me when you weren't looking. Then, to prove a
point, Your kid started hitting me IN FRONT OF YOU and the best thing
you could say was that I was being an idiot for letting a child *get
to me*. One time I said to hell with it, and gave the little monster
a spanking. You stared in disbeleif, then went on eating your dinner
like nothing had happened. I was there for that birthday party last
year when you invited the whole fucking school to dump off all their
kids sans-parents for an indoor party at a rundown two bedroom duplex
that less than a year ago housed meth. There you let your spawn say
mean things to the other children, insulting their gifts, and it
actually flung itself down and stomped all over the gifts for fun.
You stood there like a woman on VALIUM. Then you had the great idea
that despite rain, no useable tree, and no supervision, to turn a
bunch of elementry school kids loose on a pinata, The tree was
rotten, the branches kept breaking off and YOU HANDED YOUR CHILD A
LEAD PIPE to swing at the dummy, not caring that there were at least
20 kids encroaching nearby who were not the smartest little apples in
the bunch. I was there, and I managed the situation, and the kids
treated me like crap, cussing at me and being screwballs, yet I WAS
THE ONLY PERSON they hung around, cause guess what fucktard, KIDS
LOVE DICIPLINE! They like bounderies. They don't know what they want,
so its useless asking them all the time and letting them run your
life. YOU are in charge of running THEIR life. Otherwise, you'd have
a kid and they would swim away self-sufficient like sea monkeys. DUH!
I cried all the way home. Then, next year, I must have suffered
amnesia, because I showed up at the party, and the chaos was in full
swing. You were upset because I was late (???!!!) for saving your ass
I'm sure, even thought the only thing I promised to do this year was
bring a little game to share later, not orchestrate your obviously
ill planned debachle. I set up my little game, and of course the
rabid hord showed up for my special brand of loving negations. "No,
you can't do that" "No cutting" , "No, you can't eat all the cake
before we sing"...AND YOU DISSAPPEARED! Where in the FUCK did you GO?
To sip another martini on the porch? After several parental incidents
( the parents didn't leave their kids this year, but didn't lift a
hand to help either) , several selfish outbursts from your brat
(about presents again), so when the cake was over, I got ready to get
the hell out of there: after chasing all the kids away from that zoo
you call your pets. How many rats, chinchillas, birds, fish, frogs,
bunnies and contrasting carnavores do you need in that house? I guess
you should have handed out tiny body bags with the party favors for
the gerbils... I made to leave and your kid was in hysterics over the
chaos. Can I blame it? So in a momnet of pity, I told your kid I had
to go, but that I would come back and give it its present later. It
screamed, it howled, it was mad that I did not get it EXACTLY what IT
wanted. YOUR Brat said it HATED ME< HATED ME< HATED ME, and then ran
in cirlces scraming through its crocodile tears. I left. Later you
came by like nothing was wrong, and you had the nerve to tell me it
was all a little missunderstanding, that your brat just thought that
I was giving it something else it didn't want... Oh, fuck you! I
don't hate your kid, I HATE YOU!!!!!! You are the one raising this
shit to torture me, disrespect me, and spit in my face. YOU! And your
lousy parenting! You and your selfish pursuit of the *perfect*
childhood you never had. But your perfect childhood is the vision of
a child: all the candy you could eat, all the toys you could ignore
in excess, all the free privilidges that SHOULD NOT GO TO A CHILD
BECAUSE IT WILL ROT THEIR SOUL! And your kid is rotten. Each year
that passes, the damage is less reversable. And you continue to use
me like a lawn ornament to decorate your master plans. Your kid is
shamefull, and an embarrassment to itself, and me. When you wanted a
god parent, I didn't know you expected MIRICLES! What am I supposed
to do now? You assurp my authority every chance you get. I HAVE no
influence on your child, NO relationship worth speaking of despite
endless loving gestures you sabotaged out of jealousy lest your kid
like me more than you. HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE? Thanks to you, all my
good intentions go for nothing, and are forever undone. Your going to
have to drown kittens to see your child in the next life. Unless your
kid suddenly realizes your stupidity late in life and becomes a
Buddist Monk or some other form of non-violent bullshit
transformation, you'll have to visit it in Hell.

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http://news.yahoo.com/news?
tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040526/hl_afp/britain_health_obesity_040526233549

Children in Britain 'choking on their own fat', says obesity report

Wed May 26, 7:35 PM ET Add Health - AFP to My Yahoo!



LONDON (AFP) - The death of a three-year-old girl from heart failure
brought on by her excess weight was highlighted in a damning report
by a British parliamentary committee examining a feared obesity
epidemic.


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One expert quoted in the report by the House of Commons Health
Committee told of four children who required ventilatory assistance
at home for a respiratory condition because of their obese condition.


The children were "choking on their own fat", said Doctor Sheila
McKenzie, a specialist consultant at the Royal London Hospital.


The report slammed the British government, the National Health
Service, food manufacturers and advertisers for not doing enough to
improve the nation's health and raise awareness of the risks of being
overweight or obese.


It warned that obese children could become the first generation to
die before their parents.


The committee was due to hold a press conference later Thursday to
talk about the findings of their year-long inquiry.


Among its recommendations were a voluntary withdrawal of television
advertising of junk food to children, and a clamp-down on high-
profile campaigns using sports stars and celebrities to promote
crisps and chocolate.


Obesity in Britain has grown by almost 400 percent in 25 years, with
three-quarters of adults now overweight or obese, the report said.


England has the fastest growing obesity problem in Europe, with
childhood obesity tripling in 20 years.


The report calculated that being overweight or obese costs the nation
7.4 billion pounds (11.1 billion euros, 13.4 billion dollars) a year.

 

I had to choke down some fury this a.m. when a newer coworker across
the aisle from me made a comment about a 7-hour-old baby being found
at the door of a fire station. Someone rang the bell and ran. (Baby
Moses Law allows this without legal repercussions to the abandoning
parent). This woman actually SAID something like "I just don't see
how someone could do that to a human being! I mean, we used to take
our kittens out and dump them on the dirt road outside of town,
but...that's a BAYBEEE!"....I just about jumped out of my chair and
clocked the bitch. REally. Jeezus ghod. It's so much more humane to
dump a litter of kittens where they'll starve or be run over and/or
eaten than it is to leave a child at a location where it will be
immediately retrieved and cared for and placed with a loving family.
ARRRRRGGGGHHHH. Stupid stupid bitch!

 

I posted this in the bratpage rants:
----------------------------------------------------

So, my sibling has found himself the Ultimate Moo and they're getting
married this summer (hopefully her divorce from the father of 2 of
her 3 kids will be complete by then, but hey, maybe they'll just have
a party if she can't be legally wed)

so, this woman says she hates every child but her own. WTF!?!

then she talks about her oldest being this rotten brat who will walk
up to anyone (including adults) and tell them how fat, ugly,
disgusting they are and then wave her hand in their face and tell
them they can get out of her space now. This is 'cute' and 'smart'
kid behavior these days? In my time, it would have gotten me smacked
across the face and sent to my room.

her youngest threw feces from its diaper at a fellow congretation
member in a place of worship. Aww! That's so funny! (later they found
out that the congregation member was a child abuser, and obviously
the littlest one already KNEW this, and that's why she threw the
shit! OMG, what a smart little kid!)

At any rate, this woman went on in this vein for something like 2
hours, citing many examples of what I'd consider slap-worthy child
brattiness as showing just how "cute", "funny", and "smart" (and
obviously superior!) her crotchgoblins are.

I can't believe my brother is marrying this git. I am well & truly
appalled. (and I get to meet these little darlings on Friday. Great
Mother give me strength!)

 

I had a really bad moment last night at dinner--our
friend Jaime said something about how Sweetie wanted a
puppy SO BAD and I should let him have one. It was
like a twisted version of the kid argument, which
nobody EVER brings up to me anymore. And, bizarre &
sad as it may be, my objections to a puppy are mostly
the same as to a kid, and boils down to "Sweetie wants it,
but I'd be the one responsible for it."

Sad, but true.

----
a post in BRATS that seemed really relevant:
Rant Number: 36441 When: January 13
What kind: Other Where: At a get-together with friends

I was with a bunch of girlfriends today, most have kids of course,
and I find it interesting to see how that works out for everyone. One
friend who never wanted kids but had them because her husband wanted
them and she didn't think that she didn't have to was talking about
her day yesterday. She said she has felt so overwhelmed, she works
all day at the business that she owns, picked up the sprogs at
daycare, went home to find hubby sitting on the sofa watching
television. She got dinner started, went upstairs to change and
realized what a mess the kid's rooms were and began to pick up the
mess. At that point she said she broke down and started crying. So
there she found herself, sitting in her daughter's closet, crying.

So very, very glad it's not me.




My probably irrelevant brat rant:
Rant Number: 36447 When: Jan 13
What kind: Other Where: out at dinner
Oh, god...my SO is pressuring me to have....a puppy. If he was
bothering me for a baby, I'd show him to the curb. But I find myself
vulnerable to the idea of having a puppy. Even though I know it'll be
me up at night when it cries, me cleaning up its messes, me walking
it, me taking it to the vet (and paying for it), and me scooping poop
in the yard.

Not quite as dreadful as the rant where the woman ended up doing
everything and her husband sat on the couch watching TV while she
cried in her kid's closet, but still more responsibility than I want.

At least puppies are cute, grateful, and (eventually) obedient. Plus
they potty train a lot quicker than kids. It's tempting. But...no.

 

Actually, I think my opponent thinks she's armed, but is actually
carrying a styrofoam model rather than an actual weapon. Ah well.

someone on the livejournal 'childfree' community
posted this article:

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/scitech/SciTechRepublish_898675.htm

Gee, do you think that's why whatsisname had to quit
Mensa? had babies and lost IQ points?

I'm having a stupid flame-ish thing on the LJ CF group
comments on this article, someone thinks I'm a "raving
hardcore feminist" because of my comments on the
article, and refuted my ire with a *hypothetical*
situation, that *if true*, would make me look like an
idiot. *laughing* And then typoed as s/he was mocking
my spelling of 'wimmin', which I did for effect in my
comment, not because that's how I really spell it.
Sarcasm is so wasted on people like that.

http://www.livejournal.com/community/childfree/2142351.html



The post that started it:

thespookymod
Umm... did you even read the article -- or read past the subject
header to the post?

===

Re: Why is this news?
bramblekite
2003-12-19 12:12 (link)
Indeed I did. And apparently, if you read the article hard enough,
the reason certain men are geniuses is because of their high levels
of testosterone. Which leaves us little wimmin out of it altogether.
This article offends on so many levels, I just picked the first one
that jumped out at me.

I am wondering if there was some kind of 'control' group that didn't
get married/spawn. If Genius and Testosterone are as linked as the
article posits, then "losing ones genius" should just be a symptom of
aging rather than a settling-down thing.

(I am going to have some serious fucking nightmares about your icon,
btw.)
(Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)
====
Re: Why is this news?
thespookymod
2003-12-19 12:24 (link)
What's so offensive about the idea of a link between genius and
testosterone?

Think about it:

hypothetical/

Women who are of genius-level intelligence are less prone to the
desire to bare children. There is a link between dominant levels of
estrogen and the desire to bare children. It is discovered that women
who don't desire children, regardless of intelligence, also have more
dominant levels of testosterone than women who do desire children.
Coincidentally, there are more genius-level women with dominant
levels of testosterone.

/hypothetical

In the even that this may be proven fact, you'll look like an idiot
with your feminazi jargon.

While i'm at it, I think thee's a link between hardcore-feminism and
idiocy. Case in point, most hardcore feminists forget how to spell as
soon as the disease affects their brains.
(Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

Re: Why is this news?
bramblekite
2003-12-19 12:30 (link)
you think "thee's a link," eh?

heh.

I like you. You so funny.
(Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

Dance for me, my puppet!
thespookymod
2003-12-19 13:18 (link)
you think "thee's a link," eh?

heh.

I like you. You so funny.

TRANSLATION:

You dared me to think?

damn...

I'm stuck on trying to make a retort. I think i'll try to be
condescending and hope it makes me look smrt. oops, forgot to spell-
check. fuck it, nobody's going to notice.

 

I posted this:

From: "evilE"
Date: Tue Nov 25, 2003 8:20 pm
Subject: If you don't succeed, Breed!

I just have to share this with y'all:

I just had a major Epiphany!

Having babies is the ultimate admission of failure.

You get to a point in life where you realize you're never going to be
Harrison Ford, Britney Spears, Cher, Madonna, Bill Gates, President
of the US, or whatever. You realize you will never be as talented,
beautiful, thin, popular, powerful, rich, or famous as you wanted to
be.

So you spawn and pass off all the pressure to succeed on to another
generation and settle into obese, flatulent, mature mediocrity. And
then you paint all your faded, failed ambitions with the martyred
brush of "I wanted to write a novel, but there just wasn't time after
Mistayke was born" and "Oh, I wanted to go to art school, but then
Junior came along and now he's going to be the artist in the family,"
or whatever.

Kinda makes you realize exactly what's going on in the heads of all
those sicko stage moms we saw on "American Idol Junior", doesn't it?

Yes I've been drinking.

But...in vino veritas & allathat.

XO!

=E

=======
Got this in response:

From: Jim S
Date: Tue Nov 25, 2003 10:27 pm
Subject: Re: [austinnokidding] If you don't succeed, Breed!

 

On Nov 25, 2003, at 8:20 PM, evilE wrote:

> I just have to share this with y'all:
>
> I just had a major Epiphany!
>
> Having babies is the ultimate admission of failure.


Normally I let your anti-kid diatribes slide right past. A lot of the
time, you're dead-on with your complaints, and I agree 110%.

This is not one of those times.

So everybody knows now ... I'm the divorced dad of three beautiful
children.


I based my personal decision to reproduce on a number of things.

First, I'm reasonably attractive, articulate, and intelligent. I'll
let others judge my attractiveness, but I'll boast that I have no
hesitation about calling a dumb mutherfucker a dumb mutherfucker to
their face. Sometimes that turns out to be a stupid thing to do, but
since I'm a former member of Mensa with a history of scores on
standardized tests averaging me around 150 IQ, you can call me as dumb
as you want. Just be careful when you hold up your own yardstick,
because you might not measure up.

Next, I do have some interest in prolonging my family lineage. Since I
happened to be the most suitable breeder among my siblings, it turned
out to be my task to procreate. My ex-wife and I spent our
children-to-be's inheritance on fertility treatments to have 'em. You
don't want to hear about it. Trust me on this. Regardless, our kids
are a lot smarter than her sister's only kid, even though he'll make a
better football player. Or goalpost.

Finally, I've always felt that eugenics was a good concept in theory,
and I've felt that limited uncontrolled experimentation might be in
order. As it stands with the experiment now, we have three cute kids
who are so fucking intelligent that they promise to follow in my
footsteps, and if they do, they will demonize every teacher they
encounter in public school. As far as attractiveness and
articulativeness, the two older kids are posed to break every heart
and every rule they want, and get away with it every time. The
youngest will just punch your fucking lights out, and then take a
photograph.

Hell starts in September.

Now here's where your part comes in.

If you choose to whack yourself now, you need not suffer from what my
kids will do in your lifetime. Nor will you suffer from what other
people's kids will do. However -- if you, like most people, choose not
to take a header off the 360 bridge, here's what will happen. OTHER
people will continue to breed and to produce ugly, inarticulate,
stupid children who will grow up to steal cars, abuse drugs, and
sexually assault sheep. Or commit other misdemeanors great and small.
(cf: Texas congressmen)

On the other hand, MY kids will grow up to join the elite class of
people who set examples for other peoples' kids; who arrest other
peoples' kids when they forge money or hijack airliners; who formulate
policy that governs generations of other peoples' kids; who write the
great books, paint the great pictures, and orchestrate the great
symphonies that will define how generations of other peoples' kids
perceive our society -- as a species, and not just as a culture.

It's goddamned hard, shitty work making a future for society. It takes
a few dedicated people with superlative brains and dedication, and
little or no self-concern for personal indulgence. Without these few
of us, the rest of you can expect to live in a life of Wal-Mart for
eternity.

You have your right to chose not to breed. I respect that. You have a
unconditional right to fault those parents who are incapable of
raising their kids up right -- as a parent myself, I hate those
worthless slackers even more than you do, believe it or not.

But don't tar the few parents whose kids WILL make a difference with
the same brush you use for the Epsilon-Minus breeders whose kids will
impose a lifelong burden on whatever social system will survive.

Jim

PS -- Want to know what we tell our kids when they see other kids
misbehaving in a store, and our kids ask why those brats are acting
badly? We tell them, "Honey, those kids act badly because their
parents don't love them." OUR kids have been dragged home and grounded
enough times to act right. And to know the score.

I would hope that if you were ever in such a position as my ex- and
me,
you'd love your own children enough to teach them wrong from right,
and
how to behave in public.

=======
My reply on group:

From: "evilE" 
Date: Wed Nov 26, 2003 8:11 am
Subject: Re: If you don't succeed, Breed!

1. No kidding! is a group for people who don't have kids. What are
you doing here?

2. I own this group, son, so you don't want to be starting s**t with
me.

savvy?
=========
Jim's reply, just as full of shit as his original, but sent via email
rather than posted to the group:


From: "Jim S
Subject: Re: [austinnokidding] Re: If you don't succeed, Breed!
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:54:28 -0600
To: "evilE"




An off-list reply.




On Nov 26, 2003, at 8:11 AM, evilE wrote:

> 1. No kidding! is a group for people who don't have kids. What are
> you doing here?

Take a look at the original "No Kidding" national charter. It
discourages discussion of kids and promotes adult discourse and
friendship outside of interaction with children. It doesn't promote
age-based hatred and bigotry. It also doesn't exclude parents.

Just children.

Would it surprise you to know that most parents in custody of their
kids need a break FROM their spawn even more than childless folks
(that
would be this group) do? Would it surprise you that some parents ARE
able to benefit from hearing from slightly prejudiced outsiders to
parenthood (that would be childless people like you), and CAN modify
their childrens' behavior to be more suitable for our society?

Would it surprise you to hear that every "No Kidding" interaction
I've
had, I've taken away at least one thing that helped make me a better
parent?

And I've done it the whole time without broadcasting the fact that
indeed I do have children. Only Janet and Eric know the whole deal.


> 2. I own this group, son, so you don't want to be starting s**t with
> me.
>

You don't own ME.

Hmm, "son." What does that make me think of?

Spawn?

I think you need a puppy.

I may or may not post a conciliatory reply on the group if (1) you
haven't removed my first reply, (2) you haven't put me on moderated
posting, and/or (3) you haven't deleted me. And put away your
yardstick. It looks like there may be an inch missing off the end.

=====
My response:


Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 06:26:48 -0800 (PST)
From: "evilE
Subject: Re: [austinnokidding] Re: If you don't succeed, Breed!
To: "Jim S




--- Jim S wrote:
> An off-list reply.
(snippy)
> And I've done it the whole time without broadcasting
> the fact that
> indeed I do have children. Only Janet and Eric know
> the whole deal.

Personally, I think you just want to start your life
over with a cool Childfree woman.

(snip)
>
> Hmm, "son." What does that make me think of?
>
> Spawn?
>
> I think you need a puppy.

I think you need to see "Pirates of the Caribbean". I
was channeling Captain Jack Sparrow, thanks very much.

> I may or may not post a conciliatory reply on the
> group if (1) you
> haven't removed my first reply, (2) you haven't put
> me on moderated
> posting, and/or (3) you haven't deleted me. And put
> away your
> yardstick. It looks like there may be an inch
> missing off the end.
>

You are a coward for not posting this reply on the
group. And I am busy with Thanksgiving just now, so
you've got a few days to cringe and shudder while I
think up an appropriate way to deal with you.

Thanks for playing! Bye now!

=E
==========
Another CF! group member's reply, in group:

From: "equiraptor"
Date: Wed Nov 26, 2003 10:13 am
Subject: Re: If you don't succeed, Breed!

One thought - All generalizations are false.

The original post was a generalization. This means there are cases
where there may be an exception to the rule. Jim, it's possible you're
an exception, but we're not the group to judge.

I like the idea that having kids is a way to pass the "need to
succeed" to someone else. I don't know why I do, but I do. Maybe
because I feel a great deal of pressure from my mother to be
"successful." Maybe because I just like the idea of people having kids
because they think they've failed. I dunno. Whatever the case may be,
it's still a theory.

========
my reply:

From: "evilE"
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2003 8:17 am
Subject: Re: If you don't succeed, Breed!

Actually, I was posting in 'hyperbole' which is a form of extreme
exaggeration in order to make a point.

I can't help it if I hit a nerve.

And got "Bingo" in the process.

=E
=========

Mark's email to me:

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:03:24 -0800 (PST)
From: "Mark 
Subject: Re: [austinnokidding] Re: If you don't succeed, Breed!


--- evilE 
> 1. No kidding! is a group for people who don't have kids. What are
> you doing here?

A misunderstanding that needs to be corrected... by Jim leaving. I'm
already talking with Janet and the other organizers about this.

> 2. I own this group, son, so you don't want to be starting s**t
>with me.

You have my support, evilE.

-Mark

=====
My reply:

Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 06:23:15 -0800 (PST)
From: "evilE
Subject: Re: [austinnokidding] Re: If you don't succeed, Breed!
To: Mark

It wasn't the snappiest reply, I should not post before I have had
coffee.

I could have been a whole lot cleverer and had more fun with my
breeder-dissing...

But thanks for getting my back.

XO!

=E

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Posted in LiveJournal & replies

evile ( bramblekite) wrote in childfree,
@ 2003-11-26 08:07:00

Current mood: amused

It's good to be the queen

I own the Austin No Kidding! Yahoo group, and posted my "Breeding is
an admission of failure" epiphany.

Got a snootful of self-righteous garbage from a member of the group
who happens to be....*dum ta dum!* a DIVORCED FATHER OF THREE.

Who happens, I suppose, to prefer the company of childfree women.
Hmm, wonder why?

ANYWAY...I laid the smackdown BUT GOOD on his sorry ass. May just go
ahead and ban him now, but I am itching for a good breederbashing, so
I may let him stick around and see what sorry garbage he spews next.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/austinnokidding/

Gee, think I hit a nerve?

farrah
2003-11-26 06:54
What an absolute crock of shit! What the fuck is he rambling about in
the beginning of his letter? How attractive he is? Ha, as if it's
suddenly going to make people perk up and listen to him.

I find it funny how this guy goes on and on about how smart he is,
and yet he's a father of three who joined a childfree mailing list.

His entire letter is nothing but a load of bull. I'm sorry, but this
guy sounds like an absolute prick, and it's sad to know that people
like him are breeding.

ragabashtule
2003-11-26 07:28
What about for those of us who aren't members of the group? It seems
kind of silly just to join the list so we can read a few messages,
then leave. Is there any way you could just post the text here?
*joins and leaves*
-- Sarah

ragabashtule
2003-11-26 07:39
*eyeroll*
2. I own this group, son, so you don't want to be starting s**t with
me.
God, not one of these arguments. No, really. Whatever happened to
dealing with these jackasses with maturity? (even if they don't
deserve it; it still looks better when you give them a polite
smackdown since they have nothing to really come back at you with
when you're being "nice.") This gives more fodder to the fire of the
misguided belief that "all childfree people are immature and act like
kids, because they're not mature enough to have kids."

Given this guy is a total prick, but you just know he's going to come
back at you for making that comment -- unless you're actually looking
to start a fight there, which judging by this post ("I am itching for
a good breederbashing..."), you are.

Please, just be the bigger person and ban him. Your reason for doing
so would be "you have three kids. Therefore you do not belong on a
childfree listserv."
-- Sarah

donnaidh_sidhe
2003-11-26 08:29
Oh, no! You own a group! If I piss you off, you might BAN ME
and I'll have to go to one of the OTHER THREE DOZEN SIMILAR GROUPS
around!

donnaidh_sidhe
2003-11-26 08:30
Ahem. Sorry. I've had that argument used on me before, and it
really doesn't impress me that much. :/


You're right
bramblekite
2003-11-27 06:40
It wasn't as clever and entertaining as I thought it was, I
shouldn't be online before I've had coffee.

The happy thought from all of this is that one of the "Big 3" Austin
NK! organizers here is peeved enough at all this guy's breeder bingo-
isms that DDO3 may be excluded from further Austin NK real life
activities.

I'm sorry, but as a childfree woman who has DELIBERATELY CHOSEN not
to have offspring, I am offended as hell by the idea of some spawner
of 3 trying to insinuate himself, and by extention, the 3
fucktrophies, into *my* happy CF life. Or if not MY life, the life of
one of my CF sisters.

There are WORLDS of difference between dating a man, dating a
divorced man, and dating a divorced FATHER OF THREE. You will NEVER
have his total focus, his full attention, or, to get down to
mercenary terms, his full financial support, if you decide to merge
your life with his. FTS! I (and the cool CF women of Austin No
Kidding!) deserve a WHOLE man, and not just the pathetic remnants
some babymomma left once she had got her use out of
him.



danicia
2003-11-26 09:24
I'm lurking just so I can watch your brilliant mind at work. :)

BTW..what the fuck is up with this statement?

Want to know what we tell our kids when they see other kids
misbehaving in a store, and our kids ask why those
brats are acting badly? We tell them, "Honey, those kids act badly
because their parents don't love them."


the_missy
2003-11-26 09:32
Aww, I was hoping for a much better smackdown.

That guy is one tremendous asshat. I don't even know where to begin
with my complaints about his post. I really liked what he wrote about
how "it turned out to be my task to procreate." What, was someone in
the family holding a gun to his attractive and intelligent head?

But thank the Gods ... "MY kids will grow up to join the elite class
of people who set examples for other peoples' kids." At least we know
for sure, thanks to this guy's assessment, that his kids will indeed
be the next generation of lawyers, doctors and rocket scientists.

I also love it that he's a former Mensa member. Strange thing, I'M a
former Mensa member. And I seem to have the level of intelligence to
not hang around where I don't belong. I'm smart enough to not post at
the parenting boards and telling them how wrong they are. ARGH!


you're right
bramblekite
2003-11-27 06:43
My response was utterly lame.

And now he's taken it to email, so unless I really stoop to bottom-
feeder level and post his private email to the group, it's done.

*sigh*

I hate breeders.

And all of his arguments, aside from giving me "bingo" on my breeder
bingo card, basically proved my point:

"I am a loser ex mensa member who hasn't done anything with my life
other than fuck up a marriage and waste a bunch of money on IVF to
spawn some kids, who now HAVE to grow up to validate my life by being
doctors, lawyers, and cops."

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Which spawned this tangential post in NK! Group
From: "evilE"
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2003 8:48 am
Subject: A thought on Divorced Parents joining No Kidding!

This is my personal opinion, not the official policy of NK, Okay?

As a childfree woman who has DELIBERATELY CHOSEN not to have
offspring, I am offended as hell by the idea of some spawner of 3
trying to insinuate himself, and by extention, the 3 fucktrophies,
into *my* happy CF life. Or if not MY life, the life of one of my CF
sisters.

I can certainly see *why* a divorced parent would seek members of the
CF community to socialize and possibly be intimate with. But it is
not fair to the CF persons.

There are WORLDS of difference between dating a man, dating a
divorced man, and dating a divorced FATHER OF THREE. You will NEVER
have his total focus, his full attention, or, to get down to
mercenary terms, his full financial support, if you decide to merge
your life with his. (Unless, of course, the divorced parent has
renounced all parental rights, responsibilities, and financial
obligations...but how many parents do you know who do that?)

FUCK THAT SHIT!

I (and the cool CF women of Austin No Kidding!) deserve a WHOLE man,
and not just the pathetic remnants some babymomma left once she had
got her use out of him.


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http://www.weightlessdog.com/brats.nsf/23361eff315142a280256a28006cf9a
4/1385c79e6259565585256dbe007bdd1f

This woman in the bratpage discussion was talking about how after 20
years of happy CF marriage, hub finally says 'i want kids'...and she
is, of course, devastated.

What would it be like if Sweetie decided that? He's not even 30 yet. He
has many fertile years ahead. And I am about to put a formal end to
mine. Not that my odds were good of having a good pregnancy or a
normal infant...but this is the big door slamming here.

Do I chuck him and start over whenever (IF?) he decides that he wants
kids? Or do I try and convince his very monogamous self to find a
younger, fertile poly-woman to form a relationship with and have kid
(s) with? I could handle him dating. But having not only another
woman but children taking up his time (&, yes, resources) might not
be as easy to deal with for me.

This also echoes into what Kili, kulilinei & knighthorse are going thru, with
me in the 'Kili' role.

This is all highly hypothetical here...but not out of the realms of
possibility. I hope he never changes his mind. But what do I do if he
does?