2286Another great parenting story in the news

Jun. 17, 2004

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Southwest/06/17/downtown.drownings.ap/index
.html

3 die trying to save drowning girl at Fort Worth park
Thursday, June 17, 2004 Posted: 10:23 AM EDT (1423 GMT)



Two people are carried on stretchers up the steps of the Water
Gardens in Fort Worth, Texas, Wednesday.





FORT WORTH, Texas (AP) -- An 8-year-old girl drowned and three
people, including her father and brother, died while trying to rescue
her from a decorative pool where "No swimming" signs were posted.

The Rev. Gerald M. Dew, pastor of Antioch Missionary Baptist Church
in Chicago, said the man and children had gone to the Fort Worth
Water Gardens to play because the pool at their nearby hotel was
closed. The 5.4-acre water garden has pools with powerful motors to
circulate water through fountains and waterfalls.

Dew identified those who drowned Wednesday as Myron Dukes, 35; his
daughter Lauren, 8; his son Christopher, 13; and an unrelated 11-year-
old girl, whose name was not released pending family notification.

Witness accounts varied on what happened. Apparently, Lauren Dukes
jumped or slipped into the water and the 11-year-old girl fell in
when she tried to reach in and help her. Lauren's father and brother
then jumped in to try to save the girls.

One witness, Christian Tillis, 14, said he saw the girls slip into
the water and tried to help.

"I dived in after them. I felt a little-bitty hand, but it slipped
out," he said. "And then I had to get out because I couldn't breathe."

Dot Kent, a spokeswoman for the city of Fort Worth, said "no
swimming" signs are posted in the park and near the pool. She said
she understood that the little girls had on swimsuits when their
bodies were recovered.

A pump at the bottom of the pool that pulls water to a waterfall
apparently created a suction that made rescues difficult, Fire
Department spokesman Lt. Kent Worley said.

"A young person would not have the strength or the knowledge of how
to get away from it," he said.

Jesse Spann, one of the church's deacons, said there are no barriers
around the area and that steps lead down to the swirling pool. "As a
child, when you see a waterfall, you think you can go play and swim
there," he said.

All four victims were in town for the five-day National Baptist
Sunday School Convention. At the hotel, church members gathered in a
conference room to hug, cry and pray. Gospel hymns played on a tape
recorder.

Worley said the Water Gardens would remain closed until police finish
investigating the drownings. A memorial ceremony was planned for
Thursday at the park.

Designed by architects Philip Johnson and John Burgee, the gardens
are free to enter and a common refuge from hot Texas days. Each
minute, 19,000 gallons of water courses through the garden, according
to the Fort Worth Convention and Visitors Center.

Worley said in the park's 30-year history, "we have never had an
incident such as this."

Standing before his teary-eyed church members in the hotel conference
room, Dew struggled to find the words that would console his flock
following the tragedy.

"The word that God told me to tell them was that he's still in charge
and he's still in control, and that we only see the beginning, but
God sees the beginning and the end, so we have to just hope in him,"
Dew said.

2287icq w/sineater

• Jun. 17, 2004

   

  evile: Hey, turkeybutt!!
  Sineater: hey boogerhead :P
  
  evile: how's tricks?
  Sineater: busy
  
  evile: in a good way, I hope.
  Sineater: is there any way to make icq lite send on carriage return
  instead of having to hit the gooddamn send button every time????
  
  Sineater: not really... hanging in, overall
  evile: I think you have to clicky the send button. Sorry charlie.
  Sineater: well fuck.
  Sineater: how are you?
  evile: owie. You called last night just after I left for Krav Maga
  class. I'm taking it Mondays & Wednesdays. Its kicking my butt.
  evile: But in a good way...I think/hope.
  Sineater: that's good :)
  Sineater: now you can kill coworkers bare handed!
  evile: nah...not worth the jail time. But I am thinking I've been
  very lucky in that I've never been mugged or raped...and that
  eventually luck runs out. I will be ready when it happens...
  Sineater: nodnod. and krav maga is supposed to be pretty good shit,
  easy to do w/o having to be supergirl
  
  evile: yup. Even after 2 classes I feel like I could deal with
  something if it happened.
  evile: I don't know about 'easy'...they run us pretty ragged.
  evile: First class, I was sweating from my kneecaps. damndest
  thing...never sweated THERE before....
  Sineater: realtively speaking. vs say tae kwon do
  Sineater: really??
  Sineater: i sweat all over after a hard ride
  evile: Well, it's not so much 'this is how you stand and this is the
  proper breathing and bla bla' it's POUND THE SHIT OUT O FTHAT FUCKER!
  evile: I dont' usually do anything that makes me sweat. My preferred
  exercises are yoga, pilates, and swimming. Not alot of sweating.
  Sineater: oh
  evile: Anyhoo...I don't know how often you read LJ these days. I'm
  having a picnic Sunday at the park by our house & looks like so far
  Aunt L, Uncle B, Brother A's 'stepkids',Erin, Marca, Marca's kid, and Pace are
  coming :)
  Sineater: nodnod
  
  Sineater: we had planned to be in sugarland, but this may be more
  important
  evile: Well, I know you had prior plans & obligations. But if
  something falls through, or gets rescheduled, or whatever, keep it in
  the back of your mind,: 2pm Sunday :)
  evile: The Rubber Pig made noises like she was going to come up from SA...but
  if she's so dang puny she should not be making that kind of trip and
  risking hurting herself.
  Sineater: ahem. do we know for a fact that she a) had surgery and b)
  has serious back problems to begin with?
  Sineater: cause it's always a handy excuse, you know
  evile: I am pretty sure she actually had surgery on June 4. I am not
  sure how serious it was.
  evile: To me it struck me as her reading the list of all the possible
  things that could go wrong that the dr.s always give you to sign
  before a procedure. and deciding that those things WERE going to
  happen...if that makes sense.
  Sineater: really? because the alien mind control parasites always
  leave scars on the back of the neck, too
  evile: ugh.
  evile: I think alien mind control would be preferable to the current
  personality...
  Sineater: she sounds as though she may be as divorced from objective
  truth (or consensual reality) as Brother A can be sometimes, from what
  Skye_ds has been telling me
  evile: They are really quite adept at building castles in the clouds.
  Too bad that isn't really a marketable skill....
  Sineater: sigh
  evile: yeah, me too. I have no idea what to do or say in this
  situation...everything just gets wierder and wierder and worse and
  worse.
  Sineater: i am worried that now Brother A is involved with a person (or 2,
  assuming trey is as wacko) who will use him very very badly, and get
  him into serious trouble
  evile: I still can't get an answer from anyone about the dog.
  Sineater: like, say, a conspiracy to commit medical fraud! :)
  Sineater: aaaarrrrgghhh!!!!!!
  Sineater: we are willing to provide a safe haven for the dog if need
  be
  Sineater: i wonder; is Aunt L going to take the kids for the same
  reason?
  evile: Bless you for that :) I've passed it along to as many people
  as I can think of who will possibly be able to get the message into
  Brother A's pointy head.
  evile: Aunt L is taking the kids because The Rubber Pig's mom had originally
  said she would take them, but "the story" now is that The Rubber Pig's mom
  attempted suicide for the 14th time, and The Rubber Pig does not want the kids
  out in Blanco with a suicidal woman who may end up succeeding when
  it's just her and hte kids in the house.
  evile: The Rubber Pig isn't working, she's sick and in pain. Brother A isn't
  working,he's taking care of The Rubber Pig, and apparently can't watch the
  kids and take care of her at the same time.
  evile: And, of course, Trey is working.
  Sineater: sigh
  
  Sineater: so are they just going to be common-law bigamists then?
  evile: no, no, according to The Rubber Pig, they are Really Married. Because
  she is "obedient" to him.
  Sineater: uh yup...
  evile: Marriage license, property ownership, the commonlaws of TX,
  those mean nothing in her mind. It's whether or nto the woman is
  obedient to the man.
  Sineater: then why do they not just make it a d/s contract?
  evile: Because she wanted the dress and the ceremony, i guess...
  Sineater: i had this wierd idea that marriage was about commitment.
  silly me...
  Sineater: then why she not just get handfasted?
  Sineater: oh forgot. she's very jewish.
  evile: she is 'devoutly' Jewish, darling. handfasting is not what
  Jews do.
  Sineater: no, -marriage- is what jews do, and judaism has a quite
  strict definition of what a marriage is.
  evile: I really can't get my head into her reality...she goes on and
  on about how her faith is so important, and she's so devout, oy vey
  meshuguna, and then she pulls this fake internet minister garbage and
  says its Real.
  Sineater: internet minister?
  Sineater: sigh
  evile: the officiant said, "By the power vested in me by the magical
  internet, I now pronounce you..." I am NOT shitting you.
  Sineater: you know, i'm a pope. got a card right here that says so.
  evile: me too.
  evile: Now go get me some fetus stem cells, I'm hungry.
  Sineater: ohhhkay. so. not "internet church", like mail-order
  deaconship,
  Sineater: but church OF the internet, as in worship the internet????
  Sineater: yum yum!! that's a good one :)
  evile: 1) she and Trey have no Get.
  2) she and Brother A have no marriage license
  I have no idea what the offician'ts credentials are, but given 1 & 2
  as TRUE, Brother A and The Rubber Pig's 'marriage' MUST then be FALSE.
  evile: Is my logic flawed in some way, or is that the way you see it,
  also???
  Sineater: get?
  evile: Jewish religious divorce is called a Get.
  evile: Like the catholic religious divorce is called an annullment.
  Sineater: ah. i for get that one
  evile: heh
  Sineater: from the latin "anus"
  evile: *laff*
  Sineater: sigh
  evile: yup.
  Sineater: some people will argue that there is an "eyes of god"
  marriage, which requires no license, and really then no minister or
  ceremony either
  
  Sineater: however;
  Sineater: this is not recognized by the state. period. state says, no
  marriage, no license.
  evile: and there are children to be considered here...
  Sineater: this is also not recognized by the jewish religion,
  orthodox, reformed, messianic, or otherwise
  Sineater: unless you count some mystics who say the decision to have
  sex is marriage in the eyes of the lord
  Sineater: which means therefore divorces are very common, too...
  evile: Brother A says he just doesn't understand whyyyy Mom & [dad] don't
  take this seriously and keep asking him what is REALLLY going
  on...when the story changes every day...after all, don't all peoples
  lives change drastically evey single day...?
  Sineater: but no rabbi will do anything other than laugh at this. if
  you are lucky...
  evile: The Rubber Pig's rabbi refused to to the marriage in his church or
  allow any rabbi of his congregation to perform the ceremony.
  Sineater: you -always- have to keep asking what is going on with
  Brother A, even for the simplest things like what he had for lunch
  Sineater: well duh! no get, no marriage, period
  Sineater: oy gevalt.
  evile: If her religion is so important, if she obeys god first, daddy
  2nd and hubby 3rd, as she said, then WHY wasn't her rabbi's NO
  enough to stop her and Brother A DEAD
  evile: As a 'devoutly religious' (she said this several times on the
  phone Tues) the rabbi says No, that's it..right?
  Sineater: maybe she's waiting for god to say something.
  Sineater: though in judaism you can't really talk to god directly.
  prayer is all. god will talk to the rabbi if he feels like it, maybe.
  Sineater: kind of like, say, catholicism
  Sineater: if god is in a good mood he'll mention something to the
  pope, who might tell you, m,ight not
  evile: I just can't get it into my head that she & Brother A seem to
  believe several completely opposite things ALL AT ONCE
  Sineater: well.... that is called insanity.
  Sineater: and while that is really just a facile explanation
  tantamount to an off the cuff dismissal... well, there it is.
  evile: *sigh* I hear ya...
  Sineater: i can think that way sometimes, but it makes my head hurt.
  i found out a long time ago that "i am vast, i encompass
  contradictions" was really just not true. small contradictions yes,
  but not entirely conflicting beliefs. the mind will usually make some
  sort of explanation for itself.
  
  Sineater: sometimes it's just as simple as "i believe what i want to
  believe that will let me do what i want to do, and damned if i will
  tell anybody the truth, including myself"... but i don't think that
  is what's going on in Brother A's head
  Sineater: though it might very well be what's in The Rubber Pig's little skull
  evile: I have no idea....
  evile: It was wierd/creepy to hear her on one extention say something
  and then have him say it 2 seconds later...
  evile: well, it's about time for me to get ready to go...I need to
  make sangria, fed ex my dad's fathers day package, and that's about
  it. So I should mostly be home tonight.
  Sineater: nod, take care .will probably call
  evile: I get home from the bus stop around 5, so I'll be home from
  then on, mostly . Love ya!
  Sineater: :-)

2288icq w/A

 

Jun. 17, 2004

 

evile: Happy Thursday!
SkyeDS: :)
SkyeDS: meant to ask you yesterday, whyfor you moved to BD on Chaos.
SkyeDS: <was just thinking about moving back to Drandmir.
evile: Oh, I was trying to sign up as a 'maybe' for CRW and for some
reason it would not let me, kept telling me I had to be a member of a
group to use that feature. So I checked, and I WAS a member of
Drandmir, but the machine was not being helpful. So I switched to BD
and it 'took' my registration for CRW after that.
SkyeDS: cool
evile: It was just a bizarre little glitch, I guess. irritating.
SkyeDS: I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I doubt it is a glitch
SkyeDS: I don't t hink anything's a glitch where PtA and Drandmir are
concerned
evile: It could be that there's some thing somewhere that says "is E
a member of Drandmir?" and some Official Drandmir person clicked 'no'
and that's why it didn't work...
evile: I don't really care. If I go I won't stay overnight, most
likely, and I probably wont'do feast, so it's not like they need my
headcount in order to accomodate me.
SkyeDS: they'll charge you full price regardless
evile: which is why I rsvpd, so they could get a rough estimate of
income for the event.
SkyeDS: I've said many times I think salt lick would be a good place
to have feast (and court if they'd humor us)
evile: whine whine whine it's too expensive waah.
SkyeDS: well, I imagine if we took enough people there might be a
discount that could be negotiated.
evile: probably not...but no harm in asking. Personally, it would be
worth the cost to not have to shlep dishes/food around, if I were an
organizer/helper for CRW.
evile: Did you see the post in austin poly about the tubing trip on
the 27th? That sounds so awesome...I may have to go.
SkyeDS: have not been tubing in long time
SkyeDS: looking forward to some time in the water on the wknd of the
4th
SkyeDS: Rockdale's swimmin pool is not 6 miles from the house, and I
didn't go at all last summer, stupid
evile: Well, here you are, with a whole nother summer to play with. :)
evile: It's evil of me to think it, but I imagine Aunt L will bribe me
to take the kids to schlitterbahn sometime this summer.
SkyeDS: wonder how much it will be worth
evile: She didn't even blink when I told her season passes to
schlitterbahn were over $100. So...whatever it is, I'm sure it'll
turn out to be a win-win, she'll feel like it was worth it to get a
day of peace & quiet, the kids will have fun, and I probably will
too :P
SkyeDS: how many times you have to take them to need season passes...
evile: probably about 4.
SkyeDS: couldn't you just take them once as a gesture
evile: Im sure that's all she'll ask me to do.
SkyeDS: depending on when you go, I would like to go too?
evile: I will keep you posted. Will probably be sometime during the
work week--less traffic, crowds & lines.
SkyeDS: nods
evile: Fiesta TX has a growing water area, too. If the 'saddling of
the CF' had occurred earlier in the year, she could have gotten a
family four pack for like $50 or something..
evile: Of course, the 'bahn & Fiesta TX can only be reached by
putting squalling younguns in a car and driving for 1-2 hours,
so...neither one is really all that ideal.
SkyeDS: nods
evile: Elaine's neighborhood pool is free for residents & guests,
that's what the kids did yesterday.
SkyeDS: had a free pool when I was in the park
SkyeDS: since technically I've only subleased out suppose I still
have free use there
evile: teh one by my house is free, but it's in the ghetto and all...
SkyeDS: but it closes at 6
evile: bummer.
evile: Oh, THIS is lovely:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Southwest/06/17/downtown.drownings.ap/index
.html

I am sure the CF'ers will get a nice hearty grin out of that story...
SkyeDS: they talked about that on radio news for days
evile: good lord.
evile: And I love the rationale "kid sees a waterfall and of COURSE
they think its for them to play in"...um, try that logic on the
people in the lobby at the Hilton, fucko.
evile: Do they surgically remove the ability to say the word "NO"
when people become parents? What the hell...
SkyeDS: <no clue
evile: and it looks like the parents actually *intentionally* took
thier kids there to swim, hence the children dressed in swimsuits...
SkyeDS: and somebody's poor 11 yo died trying to help
evile: I know...that SUCKS.
SkyeDS: and the good reverend thinks the problem is, despite the no
swimming signs, that there is no fence and steps leading down to the
fountain
SkyeDS: jesus h christ
evile: fill it in with concrete, protect duh chyldrruuun!
SkyeDS: "the kids thought it was ok because there was no fence and
there were steps"
SkyeDS: ok so Dad can't read where it says no swimming?
SkyeDS: Dad should be prosecuted for criminal negligence
SkyeDS: he took them there on purpose in suits because the hotel pool
was closed.
evile: Oh, but "he's already suffered enough"
evile: what they always say when parents 'accidentally' kill their
kids.
SkyeDS: making copies, slow
evile: No biggie, I know you're at work. :) Krav Maga last night was
awesome, BTW.
SkyeDS: :)
evile: I was disappointed when I got home after 9 and realized I'd
missed a call from sineater :( But hopefully we'll catch up with each
other eventually...
SkyeDS: must have called before I got home last night (which was like
9)
evile: the machine said he called around 7.
SkyeDS: bout the time I left.
evile: Has he been able to touch base with Brother A at all? I have NO
idea what their hours are like....
SkyeDS: nope, phone tag
evile: figures.
SkyeDS: sineater's home all damn day and all damn night, just about,
during the week <shrug>
SkyeDS: I come home and crash immediately but he's usually up before
I am in the morning (Arthur) and up past me at night
evile: *nods*
evile: I am under the impression that Trey works late, while Brother A &
The Rubber Pig do not work at all and she's still fairly limited in mobility,
so I don't see how they can not be there when people call....but I
can see her not answering the phone if you're hurting & not in the
mood to talk. And Brother A not feeling like he should be distracted from
her when she's not doing well.
evile: My feeling/suspicion is that Brother A knows sineater is not one to be
tactful or tell someone what they want to hear, and he does not want
to hear what sineater has to say...
SkyeDS: sineater doesn't entirely believe she has had surgery at all
SkyeDS: I think you're exactly right
evile: I hadn't even considered THAT possibility. I can see someone
exaggerating the severity of the surgery risks and getting themselves
all worked up and scared, but to make it up COMPLETELY...wow.
evile: See...honest, sane people have no natural defenses against
these kinds of pathological lunatics....being honest & sane myself, I
don't think I could even conceive of putting my friends, family &
loved ones through that kind of worry for no reason besides Drama.
evile: sineater does better at that kind of Macchiavellian thinking,
because of his suspicious & paranoid Scorpio nature. I honestly NEVER
would have thought to question that there was SOME sort of surgery,
at least.
SkyeDS: <shrugs>
SkyeDS: I have no clue, I'm in no position to guess
SkyeDS: I could consult my cards but why bother
evile: well..and ultimately it's not Reality that counts, but what
The Rubber Pig and Brother A believe is real... :(
SkyeDS: I can't imagine K/Mom would be pleased to know that
she's "supposed" to help watch the kids for some portion of the
summer, when TX summer is so detrimental to her health
evile: Well, Aunt L's an adult & had the right to say 'no' to them, but
didn't, despite her own health issues. Mom also has that right,and is
apparently exercising it, whether they heard her or not.
evile: And I fully intend to be sure that Mom & Sister H crash at my
place, not Aunt L & Uncle B's, and that they get quality vacation time and
not just sprog-chasing for the 1 week they're planning on being here.
SkyeDS: they're coming after all then
SkyeDS: I hope he's working by then, but if not, I can bring him into
town with me and he can spend the day(s) with them.
evile: Mom &Sister H asked me to look for airfares for them to come
for 1 week in July. Then the kids got dumped on Aunt L and Mom said
something about coming for more of the summer to help Aunt L. then Mom
got some sense & we are now back to 1 week in July.
SkyeDS: my parents want to pay to get the black truck more fully
operational again, so that should improve situations too
SkyeDS: and the job he's interviewing for is 3 - 11 shift so there's
that too
evile: That would be good :)
SkyeDS: I am taking him and M to Kelly's tomorrow and leaving them
there with Arthur and Maria's stuff
SkyeDS: so that Maria can pay us, get her stuff back, and then at
8:30 we're going to leave to meet Bob at his hotel at 9 and do dinner
evile: *nods*
SkyeDS: told Bob I was driving horses on Saturday so he knows I don't
want to be up too late but I probably will be anyway <shrug>
evile: sounds like a good solution to the quandary of how to get time
with your friend and also get to your event.
SkyeDS: sineater, sonar0m adn Arthur always have a good time at Kelly's /w
the kids
evile: I bet :)
SkyeDS: prolly go swimmin <sigh> wish could go with
evile: yeah...workin sucks.
SkyeDS: I want to get here earlier and leave earlier
SkyeDS: maybe this weekend or next or soon I can get my patterns
adjusted enough to get off work in time to swim there before driving
home
evile: yeah..but that involves getting up earlier...which can be
tough. But summer's good for that, more daylight & stuff.
SkyeDS: my new morning routine is going to require me adjusting anyway
SkyeDS: I have to take a 20 min bath
evile: *nods*
SkyeDS: followed w 20 min of heating pad
SkyeDS: and because heating pad = electrical cord I can't combine the
two
SkyeDS: then I have to eat breakfast
SkyeDS: eat, not drink it.
SkyeDS: do exercises (I tend not to)
evile: yup.
evile: I made a breakfast casserole last night, that will be
breakfast for the next 4-5 days.
SkyeDS: I wonder if I could just make a big old mound of scrambled
eggs with stuff in to last that long
evile: basically, that's what I did: eggs, cheese, rotel tomatoes, a
few corn tortillas, stirred together, baked 30 min, and viola,
breakfast for a week.
SkyeDS: I'd be happy with just eggs, some sort of meat, cheese and
maybe a tiny bit of potato
evile: I don't see why that could'nt be made breakfast casserole
style...
SkyeDS: eggs, cheese, chorizo and a judiciously small amount of
potato is good together
evile: yup
SkyeDS: is = are
evile: I got it :)
evile: I guess it depends on your schedule, whether it's easier to
spend 5 minutes in the kitchen every a.m. making breakfast, or to
bake 1 thing for 30 minutes, in advance.
SkyeDS: would be cool if I could do it on Sunday and it be good for a
week
evile: I've had no problems with my breakfast casseroles. I tried
freezing scrambled eggs once, THAT was icky. But making a casserole
and keeping it refrigerated seems to be fine for 4-5 days.
SkyeDS: kinda stupid to say I'm too lazy to make an omelette every
morning :-/
evile: It's easy, but it does make dirty dishes to cook every
morning. kind of a hassle.
evile: And for me, I just really am not awake in the a.m...I have my
little routine timed almost to the minute, and that's it.
SkyeDS: nodnods
evile: I was getting kinda good about getting up to do my AM Yoga but
then the time change hit.
evile: Onyxlynxx is at the gym at 5:15 in the a.m....I admire her so much
for that.
SkyeDS: I saw her yesterday, said hi, she didn't have anything else
to say
evile: on line, or in RL?
SkyeDS: online
evile: aha. Well, she works in a call center, so I'm sure she goes
through spells of nothing and then 20 things happening at once.
evile: She hasn't added me back on ICQ, so I can't see whether she's
on or not.
SkyeDS: I saw her on mine, but hers says still waiting to authorize
so some weirdness is afoot
evile: Icq to go is the best thing I've found...it's not great, but
Yahoo messenger crashes everything. And I have never figured out if
AIM 'portable' is even working, nobody on my AIM list is ever showed
as being 'online'
SkyeDS: I got tired of all the different "to gos" and so I use
trillian
SkyeDS: which works fine if your machine isn't too old
evile: I can't download at work. And I have win 95 at home. No
trillian for me.
SkyeDS: nods
evile: Sweetie is making noises about upgrading my stuff at home,
but...eh. I'll believe it when I see it.
SkyeDS: I don't pay any attention to what sineater does to our stuff
until it stops working
evile: heh. same here.
evile: 1) I am still waiting for enoughmemory to download my MT photos
2) yahoo mail, since it's 'improvement' does not work from my home
computer/browser.
evile: sineater's online....that' s a rarity :)
SkyeDS: /me nods
evile: probably cheaper than a phone call :)
SkyeDS: we have metro one way to Austin
SkyeDS: think we should invest in unlimited LD soon, it's not much
more
evile: that's probably a very good thing. For whatever crazy reason,
it costs me more to call you, an hours drive away, than it does to
call J-Law in CA or Mom in IN.
SkyeDS: SBC does unlimited ld for $20
SkyeDS: metro (one way, not available two, or you could call me
local) is $15
evile: My current LD bill is usually about $6 a month.
evile: I hardly ever use the phone...I like the computer better.
SkyeDS: nods
SkyeDS: easier to transfer media, and edit myself
evile: yeah...I'm getting better about the brain-to-mouth connection,
but still not perfect. Otherwise I never would have said that
sarcastic thing to The Rubber Pig about not calling Brother A a shmuck in front of
me...I would have phrased it better.
evile: Well, I need to get paper shuffled & whatnot.
SkyeDS: nodnod, wind to your wings, bella :)
evile: *hugs* take care :)