evile: quick question I've been meaning to ask you: if I needed a
violin repaired, can you recommend someone to do it?
SkyeDS: Strait Music
evile: cool. thanks. :)
SkyeDS: yw. How goes?
evile: I am so unfocused today it's not even funny.
SkyeDS: nodnod, I think I'm coming down with something sinus related
myself.
evile: yucko. ther'es plenty of goodies in the air right now.
evile: Sweetie & I tried a new restaurant last night--Pyramids! It was
yumyum. I really need their lebanese tea recipe!
SkyeDS: where is it? Trying new restaurants was one of my favorite
pasttimes at UT.
evile: 35 and 290. Ugly little strip center, but the inside is really
nice. Kind of 'casablanca' meets 'cleopatra'
SkyeDS: Crockett Center side sounds like. On the other side there's
Club Maxx and China Star (which used to be El Torito)
evile: yup. China Star has lost quite a bit of quality lately.
Probably won't go back there any time soon.
SkyeDS: sorry to hear that. I haven't been there in a while.
evile: don't bother. It's pretty nasty these days.
SkyeDS: well I'm back on the bandwagon again, so no free days at all
for at least two weeks anyway.
evile: *nods* Good for you.
SkyeDS: does mean no dayquil though as I know it has corn syrup in it
evile: bummer.
evile: probably do your body good to detox from everything, though.
I've been trying to stay away from allergy meds because I have a
tolerance & they don't work anymore.
SkyeDS: nope, no point in taking what doesn't work anymore
evile: too much strain on the liver & kidneys to process that stuff
anyway.
evile: Unfo, I am still on caffeine. *sigh*
SkyeDS: some people can't get off caffeine, ever. Headaches and
other such.
evile: well, Sweetie quit smoking, so I can quit caffeine.
SkyeDS: excedrin (which has caffeine in it) will stop most of my
headaches unless I got the headache from drinking caffeine in the
first place. tolerance thing.
SkyeDS: how long has Sweetie been quit? that's awesome.
evile: yup. Sweetie's been off the cancer sticks for about 3 weeks.
SkyeDS: you are stubborn. you will get to a point, and at that point
I do not doubt there will be no more caffeine period.
evile: I need to at least modify it, like I do with chocolate:
anything less than Godiva isn't worth it. The work swill coffee isn't
worth it. But weekend coffee at home with my sweetie is.
SkyeDS: sounds like a plan.
evile: there's that whole use vs. abuse thing going on, too...
SkyeDS: I did a reading once, told the woman she had major problems
with the balance of fluids in her body, and that she had some
addiction she needed to get under control, and learn moderation. Her
response was, I don't have any addictions. Come to find out she
drank at least a six pack of Dew every day, usually more.
evile: ew
SkyeDS: I said, ok, well, there are two addictions there....caffeine
and sugar. And she said, caffeine and sugar aren't drugs. Uh huh.
Go drink a gallon of Leaded coffee and suck down a pound of sugar and
call me back in five minutes, tell me how you feel.
evile: yup
evile: How was your weekend? did you do any Mardi Gras stuff?
SkyeDS: went to the N.A. event on Saturday, recuperated on Sunday,
helped sonar0m with his English homework (he's dyslexic).
evile: My friend Rengeek sent me some *awesome* Galveston Mardi Gras
photos. How was the 'Northern Alliance', besides rainy & cold?
SkyeDS: no mardi gras stuff (I am essentially a boring person). I
was wondering (overweening curiosity, pay it no mind) what trashed
your weekend, particularly with it being Mardi Gras, which is usually
a big production for you.
SkyeDS: the Event was good despite the rain and cold, would have been
better if Phyllis had taken my word for it and stayed home. She
complained the entire time and insisted we leave early.
evile: sorry to hear about Phyllis raining on your parade. We had a
neighborhood association meeting from 10-noon on sat, which pretty
much scotched any out of town plans. And then I wasted most of the
rest of the day with mundane errandy type stuff.
SkyeDS: I hate having to be the Heavy. Consequently I didn't put my
foot down like I should have. She is on a respirator, 30% lung
capacity, just out of the hospital for the umpteenth time in a few
months, hasn't been sleeping at all, and just took herself off her
Zoloft. She did not need to be in the truck for a half day road
trip, out in the rain and cold. My fault for not being more firm.
evile: Phyllis is an adult. Unfortunately, thath means she can make
her own choices in life, even if they're stupid.
evile: My opinion of her isn't too great after listening to Sineater's
end of conversation iwth her; sounded like she was being drama-queeny
& stirring up more shit than needed to be there. I'm sure she's a
nice person, but drama addicts are difficult.
SkyeDS: I didn't hear what she said, the only piece I can add, is,
that is the first time she's ever seen me cry and be upset. People
who consider me to be Atlas get unnerved when occasionally I Shrug.
SkyeDS: but yes, like most of her sign, she can be a drama queen.
evile: Well, IMNSHO, she didnt' need to be yelling at Sineater and
telling him that you were 'an emotional wreck'.
SkyeDS: and next time she makes the decision to go to an event
despite her health, she can find someone else to take her. As an
adult I can decide not to, right?
evile: this is true.
evile: Another reason my weekend sucked: drama with friends/former
friends. I've been feeling fairly antisocial lately. That happens
when 2 or 3 people 'dump' you right at the same time. You start
looking at yoruself and wondering "why am I so unlovable? Why am I
unworthy of friendship?" and suchlike destructive shit.
SkyeDS: nodnods. I'm sorry to hear that :( I think the only reason
2 or 3 people don't dump me at the same time is because I don't
*have* 2 or 3 friends at a time. Not close enough to hurt me. I am
friendly with many but truly friends with few.
evile: Well, one was more of an acquaintance & probably wouldn't have
hurt except that it was right when two people I actually liked did it
to me, too.
evile: And of course the 2 'close' ones are playing my favorite game:
the silent treatment.
SkyeDS: <hugs> are you sure that's what they're doing, on purpose?
SkyeDS: what's DeeDee's assessment of the situation?
evile: Well, since they won't speak to me, I have no idea.
Dee Dee is trying to act like her life is normal when her husband may
be sent off to die any minute; I am not bothering her with stupid
shit.
evile: and,objectively, they're all pretty much 'good riddance'...but
it still hurts.
SkyeDS: this is redundant and self evident, but, if they won't talk
to you, to at least tell you what you did, you can't do shit about it
and they aren't worth it anyway. Even the US court system is set up
on the adversarial idea. You get to confront your accusers. It is
confrontational, but it is courteous at the same time. Attorneys are
expected to be courteous to one another. And often they are friends
outside the courtroom.
SkyeDS: my last attorney, Tom, for whom I had the greatest respect
and learned much, explained to me the fine difference
between "confrontational" and "combative".
evile: I get tired of chasing after people and asking them "are you
mad at me". If you dont' have the sack to let me know you're mad,
that pretty much sums up the whole thing as not being worth my time.
SkyeDS: that's why I left drandmir remember?
evile: Kaleon is playing 'the wounded party'...which is laughable,
really, but him giving me the silent treatment still hurts my
feelings.
SkyeDS: he's good at that.
evile: Well, I just love how he took my private words to him, used
them to hurt your feelings and get Sineater pissed at me, and then
somehow IM the fucking bad guy? I dont' get that shit at all.
SkyeDS: did he have anything to say for himself on that account? or
is he just playing wounded.
evile: He said he just wants to be left alone when I confronted him
via email on what I viewed as total betrayal. I told him' fine, balls
in your court, talk to you whenever'...& grow the FUCK up, kid--(did
not say that part outloud)
SkyeDS: <can't help tiny grin, nor the dimples, at not saying certain
things outloud>
evile: it's just as bad (not as damaging, but just as bad) that Sineater
forwarded what I said about J. being a silly kid to Kaleon. I dislike
the stirring. I really do.
SkyeDS: people who have done hurtful things, who then are repaid with
kindness, often feel lower than snakes with bellyfuls of buckshot.
If you had given him what he knows he deserved, then he could have
been combative and defensive.
SkyeDS: I did my best to keep Sineater on a leash where Kaleon was
concerned as long as I could. Believe it or not, Sineater was very angry
with you initially and I talked him down. Then Sineater was going to
hold you responsible for what X did and said. Which, self
evidently, was ridiculous and I told him so. X is not your minor
child.
evile: Well, the thing is that I don't have too much invested in the
friendship. Wed only been on speaking terms a couple of months, it
doesn't kill me that he has used me and moved on. But it does hurt my
feelings.
evile: I have zero control over X and I don't even know what
you're talking about on that score...?
SkyeDS: X running her mouth about me. I told Sineater, ya know, why
don't you take it up with X? (like...duh?)
evile: when? Decemberween?
SkyeDS: anyway, I think Kaleon and Sineater are both spoiling for a fight
and I don't really know why, I think it's some man thing I don't
understand. I mean, a fight between those two is kind of moot now is
it not?
evile: Whatever. I dont' want to be in the middle of it, it's
bullshit.
SkyeDS: No, Kaleon repeated what X has said on two occasions since
then. I don't know what all the hullabaloo about Decemberween was
about. I blew it off, and I don't know why everyone else makes drama
and then blames it on me.
evile: I dont' know what X has said that he would be repeating? I
must have totally missed that.
SkyeDS: we're talking about Kaleon here, remember. Kaleon's rendition
of what she may/may not have said.
evile: We were at dinner one night with some folks and she said
something about not respecting him if he got back together with you.
And then we were all at a party and X was talking about her slutty
HS days & acting flirty, as per usual.
evile: As far as I know those are the only two times those two have
been together & talking...
SkyeDS: LOL. Getting back together with me? Since when? I broke
with him, remember? Do I not have a say in whether or not we get
back together? I am half of that equation am I not?
evile: All I'm saying is that's all I can remember of their
interactions, so if he has made out that he and X are some kind of
bosom companions he is misleading you.
SkyeDS: no no, he didn't represent it as bosom companions, quite the
opposite. In his version she was vociferously hateful in the
extreme, and he came to my defense. I have reason to doubt his
version, needless to say. Sineater doesn't seem to.
evile: Nope. She did say that you and she had never gotten along, but
she wasn't particularly hateful. And Kaleon said something like he
would have defended you in the past, but didnt' feel like he needed
to anymore & that he appreciated her honesty.
SkyeDS: my stance is, other than the few times I see her because of
proximity to you, she hasn't crossed my mind in the twelve years I've
known her. If she dwells on me after twelve years of little to no
contact she should perhaps get a life? Even *I* have more life than
that (and that's sad.)
SkyeDS: surprise surprise surprise. Complete misrepresentation of
what she said and what he said.
evile: I think he was just saying what he thought would be most
hurtful to you.
SkyeDS: that would fit the pattern. Like most people he is a
creature of habit (pattern)
evile: Kind of like he thought to do damage control on what he
thought would be most hurtful to me, but was actually the stupidest
of the points Sineater brought to my attention.
SkyeDS: I think staying out of whatever's going on between those two
is probably a good idea. Hopefully there ISN"T anything going on
between them anymore. In that Kaleon's holing up and not ever
speaking to anyone ever again because he feels like he's shit (and
that's a direct quote).
evile: Well, forwarding emails and putting things out of context for
the sake of merely being hurtful and stirring up shit is a pretty
shitty thing to do.
SkyeDS: Kaleon at one point was frothing at the mouth waiting for Sineater
to get in his face so he could tell Sineater to fuck off. Then when I
couldn't keep Sineater on a leash anymore (he's a grown up too), all the
sudden he's not so eager...
evile: Kaleon is totally not worth the jail time.
SkyeDS: well ya know, I told Kaleon if we were going to be friends
that there could be no rumor mill game and he promised as much.
evile: It'll be interesting if he shows up at any of the
events/group/circles I introduced him to...
SkyeDS: I calmed Sineater down the first time he was pissed off and got
him to listen to reason.
SkyeDS: what set Sineater off the second time, after which I could not
talk him back down, was Kaleon's going to you and then your going to
Sineater. So, Kaleon brought it upon himself.
evile: I can understand being frustrated & hurt with someone &
needing to talk shit and blow off steam and just get it all out,
totally uncensored by regard for the person's feelings...but you
don't turn around and then use all those words against the person
when you're done crying.
SkyeDS: Sineater is very put out with Kaleon for playing you. And I can
understand his perspective. You fit into Kaleon's "Sharon" pattern
quite nicely.
evile: Sineater had no right to share my email to him re: Kaleon, period.
I dont' know what Kaleon thought he was doing by forwarding it to me.
It was obvious that there had been lots of backand forth before that
which nobody forwarded to me...but I'm a grownup, and that's high
school. I'm ashamed that it even hurts my feelings. I wish I had no
feelings about it at all.
SkyeDS: would be nice wouldn't it. mega dittoes.
SkyeDS: Sineater hasn't said anything more about confronting Kaleon so
maybe hopefully he's gotten it out of his system. That is, until the
next time Kaleon does something stupid.
evile: It would be different if you or Sineater had hacked my email and
read my private thoughts; you'd be getting what you deserved by
prying. But him forwarding it is totally different.
SkyeDS: I'm not a hacker, and I don't know if Sineater knows how to hack
or not. I wouldn't be surprised if he could, or knew where to find
the resources to do so. I learned the hard way not to ask questions
I really don't want to know the answer to.
evile: The inside of my head isnt' a nice place, I think nasty evil
thoughts about everyone, even my sweetie. Nobody has the right to go
there without my permission & nobody has the right to share my
thoughts esp, out of context, esp. in a situation where it's used to
hurt someone.
SkyeDS: all about trust, and in the mode Kaleon's been in for longer
than I can remember now, I don't think he can be trusted further than
he can be thrown.
evile: I am just so...bowled over...that Kaleon would think that
was 'cool'with me but that him tellling people we were lovers or
almost-lovers or whatever the fuck *wouldn't* be. I dont' care what
he says he did with me. I know it's false, Sweetie knows it's false, and
that's all that would matter in that situation.
evile: And, as with ren-couples who think I'm dangerous because I'm
single, I just have to ask "Why would I go out for baloney when I
have prime rib at home?"
SkyeDS: I'm glad Sweetie knows it's false. One of Kaleon's favorite games
is, when confronted with his own words, "You misunderstood, that's
not what I said, at all"
SkyeDS: so when Sineater "misunderstood" what he heard Kaleon say, Kaleon's
response was that his new definition of friendship involved nothing
more than kissing and cuddling, and not necessarily sex. Nice
definition, but I dont' think Sweetie would appreciate that either.
SkyeDS: what I don't get about the whole thing is, did it occur to no
one involved that eventually at least two parties involved would get
together and compare notes?
evile: *laugh* you're too silly. It's just such a non-issue. He could
tell people that he and Sweetie and I were all doing it and that just
wouldn't make me any rats ass bit of difference. The fact that he
seemingly befriended me only for the sake of getting at you AND took
things said in confidence and repeated them...THAT is what pisses me
off.
SkyeDS: he had deeper motivation than that, although I don't think
he's consciously aware of it. He wanted to take you home like a hurt
kitten and nurse you back to health.
evile: umm...I'm not the sick one,he is.
evile: The sharon analogy totaly doesn't hold water for me. Sorry.
SkyeDS: I didn't say he was correct in his thinking, jsut that
somewhere down deep, that's what he is thinking.
SkyeDS: "poor evilE (for various reasons). She needs to be nurtured
and petted and loved." Which is a vast oversimplification.
SkyeDS: of course Sharon did it on purpose. And he ended up being
the laughingstock and scorned by an entire subculture over it.
evile: Okay, friendless loserboy gets dumped by GF. Girl with lots of
friends and a life takes him in hand and introduces him 'round to her
friends & groups...how does this make me the sad, sick one?
evile: The only thing I talked with him about that I feel sad & sick
about is my friendship/lack thereof with you.
SkyeDS: I don't think he's figuring friends and life into it. Has he
ever once heard you say anything indicating that there's trouble
between you and Sweetie?
evile: Nope.
SkyeDS: has he once ever heard you talk about being tired of X
throwing the weight loss in everyone's face?
evile: Oh, yes, that's true.
SkyeDS: if you have ever once even unknowingly and unwittingly said
anything that he took as being loneliness, insecurity or low self
esteem on your part, then you just became Sharon.
evile: gah. how sick is that?
evile: That is just twisted beyond belief...
SkyeDS: <shrugs> I don't know the whys and wherefores, I just
recognize patterns when I see them.
SkyeDS: he had a good thing going for himself, which makes me wonder
why he hit the self destruct button the way he did.
evile: Irony is so ironic. Here I thought I was doing him a favor by
getting him out of the house & such, and he thought the same of
me. :P Too silly.
evile: His relationship with you, however sick & however defunct, was
more important than a relationship with me. That simple. (ow. my ego!)
SkyeDS: this hardly did his relationship with me any good. And he
hasn't been falling down over himself to have any relationship with
me at all.
SkyeDS: he presumptuously informed me that he wouldn't come back to
me unless I got rid of Sineater and sonar0m both.
evile: Well, having all my words to use against you at least gave him
something to say.
SkyeDS: well excuse me, but, I don't remember asking him to come back
in that capacity. And once upon a time, someone else demanded that I
get rid of Kaleon and Sineater, at which they both of course were livid,
as was I.
SkyeDS: I cannot abide hypocrisy.
SkyeDS: all I wanted was to be friends. And NOT by his new
definition of the word, either.
evile: Emotions and intellect dont' run on the same rail. You can't
help the way you feel...but you can certainly control your behavior.
SkyeDS: When you touch a hot stove and get burned the first time,
shame on the stove. When you do it a second time, shame on you. He
never learns, apparently.
evile: Nobody's ever happy being left out while other people are
having fun. And when you love one of the people and dont' really like
the other one, how can you help but feel bad and want the other
person gone? But...you have to suck it up and deal if you're going to
keep any kind of relationship with the person you love.
SkyeDS: really? he used to try to tell me that taking showers with
Sharon and having her naked in his lap had no sexual connotations.
SkyeDS: in the meanwhile he was infuriated by sonar0m.
SkyeDS: who for two months insisted he had no feelings for me that
werent' platonic.
SkyeDS: and did nothing more than give me back and foot rubs, which
he does with ANYONE male or female who asks for them. Only
difference being I didn't ever ask.
evile: Like I said, you can't control how you feel. But you can
certainly control how you behave.
SkyeDS: I can't imagine what would have happened if I had told him,
oh btw, I took a shower with sonar0m and was naked in his lap during
one of those massages, but it was purely platonic. Can you?
evile: Kaleon isn't grown-up enough to have an actual adult
relationship, even a monogamous one, IMNSHO
SkyeDS: let's look at what would happen if I wanted him to come
back. I can't be poly anymore, and I have to get a divorce, and in
so doing give up my home and my family.
SkyeDS: in t he meanwhile, his new definition of friendship means he
can play around all he likes up to a point.
evile: I mean, I was having big red flags when he was still talking
about Jr Hi and HS relatinships as if they were a significant part of
his "Romantic past"...hello! GROW UP!
SkyeDS: before me, JHS and HS *were* the only "romantic past" he's
ever had. He's not even 25 yet you know, and our relationship
started when he was in college.
evile: No blame to you, but being in a hetero-mono relationship from
age 18-24 is not going to give a person a lot of opportunities to
grow up & learn how to deal with a lover as an adult.
evile: (hetero-mono on his side that is)
SkyeDS: excellent point. And it wasn't mono on his side either, no
matter what he told you.
evile: Well, whatever, he didn't do the usual kinds of scrwing
around, experimenting,e tc. that most people do in that time span.
So, he's still a kid as far as I'm concerned, and a silly one at that.
SkyeDS: no argument from me. I suppose arguably it's all myfault for
trying to initiate a friendship.
evile: And, despite all of his little macchiavellian deviousness, he
really doesn't seem to understand what makes people tick.
SkyeDS: he couldn't pretend to Machiavellian on his best day <grin>
evile: Oh well. Another fucking life lesson learned. Never pet the
rabid dogs, no matter how cute they are.
SkyeDS: you were trying to do a good thing.
evile: Every time I try to do something good it comes back to bite me
in the ass. I need to quit attempting this 'good' stuff and just go
back to being evile.
SkyeDS: I kinda like doing good stuff. I dont' always get credit for
it, but eventually I will, people will just need time to adjust
thinking between what I was, and what I am. And it does occasionally
backfire, like taking Phyl this past weekend.
evile: Well, I don't need anyone saying "Oh, you're such a nice
person" but I do need people to quit fucking stabbing me in the back
when I've taken them into my home,my life, and done everything
possible to be nice to them.
evile: But...why should I expect rabid dogs to go agains their
nature? If they're rabid, I shouldn't be petting them. And if I dont'
know them, I shouldn't be petting them, because they *might* be
rabid. I feel a hermit phase coming on...
SkyeDS: I am reminded of the tale of the frog and the scorpion.
evile: *nod*
evile: Why do I even fucking bother trying to have friends? I need to
just stay home and read & do my crafts. Fuck those motherfuckers.
SkyeDS: problem in this case being you can't always identify
scorpions until it's too late
SkyeDS: because the undisputed Queen of Entertaining can't do that :P
evile: It really does go against my nature to be untrusting and
closed off. But...I dont' like being hurt all the time, either. Which
is what I get for being nice.
evile: evile threw kick ass parties, as I recall. But somehow didn't
manage to have anyone get thru to the soft tender parts...I wonder
how I did that?
SkyeDS: Decemberween was a kickass party. I have never heard of any
party you threw that wasn't.
SkyeDS: something I admire greatly because it is not a talent I will
ever have.
evile: *grinz* never say never. :)
SkyeDS: one can always learn through discipline but it isn't ever
quite the same as having the talent innately.
evile: Just throw enough wierdos together with enough food and liquor
and viola! Instant cool party.
SkyeDS: lol :)
evile: and it's not like you don't know wierdos... :P
SkyeDS: all of my friends are weirdos :P
evile: there ya go.
evile: I think in your case you compartmentalize, whereas I mix &
match. Makes for some wierdness, but also more fun for the
onlookers :)
SkyeDS: actually they are compartmentalized as much by geography as
anything else. A great number of my friends are way far away.
evile: yup
evile: brb- potty break
evile: back
SkyeDS: wb
evile: I started taking vitamins on a regular basis again. Why are
good habits so hard & bad habits so easy?
SkyeDS: if I knew the answer to that I would write a book, get rich
and retire
evile: The thing I like about Ana Caban's routine is that at least
it's quick.
SkyeDS: I had three projects for this week. I've started one, I'm
working on number two today, and number three (exercise) will
hopefully follow tomorrow. The sinus ickies and fever and weather
doesn't help that. I'm ocnsidering getting a tread mill and a movie
club membership, and watching a movie while I walk.
evile: I've heard walking/marching in place while watching TV is
effective, too. Better than just sitting, at any rate.
evile: If they'd have video games like 'prop cycle' and 'ddr' at the
gym, I bet more people would go :)
SkyeDS: endocrinologists say that running half an hour/walking an
hour reduces insulin levels all day. So I need to, no matter what
else I do over and above.
evile: yup. walking is the best thing for ya.
evile: I need to get Sweetie in 'mad scientist' mode & have him hook up
my computer monitor to an exercise bike--if I had to pedal to keep my
connection visible, I'd get alot of exercise :P
SkyeDS: LOL!
evile: Seriously, someone could invent an 'exercise powered' computer
and make a mint.
SkyeDS: I still think there's also a mint to be made making
lowcarb/diabetic microwave meals.
evile: the treadmills at 24hr aren't too far off with all their
display stuff. put a monitor and a keyboard on that sucker and we're
gold. // I don't know why nobody has done low carb nuke stuff. Seems
really elementary.
evile: Then again, low carb is so basic maybe people don't feel like
paying someone else to do it; I'm doing it mega-budget this month:
eggs, tuna, & whatever LC veggies are cheap.
evile: Lebanese Iced Tea is probably NOT LC. But chicken breast with
grilled onions peppers & cheese are. And I don't know about hummus. I
wasnt' too far off at Pyramids last nite.
SkyeDS: Mom left me some magazine that has an article in it about
lowcarbing cheaply. I haven't read it yet.
evile: Womens weekly or soemthing like that?one of my coworkers
brought it in. Not too bad. Peanuts aren't that LC though, and
they're the 'snack.' Macadamias would be better.
SkyeDS: macadamias are wonder nuts according to most sources.
evile: And they had a recipe for turnip 'french fries'. which didn't
sound that appetizing but if you were really jonesing for fries I
guess the'd do.
SkyeDS: low carb macadamia chocolate clusters would be miraculous
evile: Central Market has LC chocolate bars. Malitol is the sweetner
they use.
SkyeDS: during the entire week of my period I could live quite
happily on nothing but red meat, dark chocolate and macadamias
evile: dark chocolate isn't that carby. Not for induction, but would
be fine on maintenance.
SkyeDS: there are lots of diabetic candy places online too.
evile: yup.
SkyeDS: I tried making my own sugarfree dark chocolate ganache but it
flopped miserably
evile: My only drawback to online is that they usually make you buy
in bulk and what if you hate the shit when you taste it? Then you've
got 11 more of 'em to get rid of....or whatever.
SkyeDS: and for some reason now I'm craving chicken w/ onions,
spinach and maybe feta
evile: *whistles innocently* I didn't say nothing about no
mediterranean food, nope,notme.
SkyeDS: So it's easy to eat Mediterranean out and be good too?
evile: Well, if you skip the pita & the rice pilaf. And I really
dont' know about hummus...it may be totally carby. I have no idea.
Pyramids' hummus is the best I've ever had; I don't even usually like
the stuff.
SkyeDS: what is it?
evile: And I had to skip baklava & Turkish coffee. Hummus is some
kind of chickpea thing, all mashed up with olive oil & lemon juice &
some other stuff. chickpea=garbanzo bean. Lots of protien, but I
dont' know how many carbs.
SkyeDS: I love garbanzos. Beans and peas are carby, but if you skip
everything else.
evile: darn. I guess I wasn't quite as on-target as I thought. I knew
the lebanese tea was sugary, but I thought the hummus would be OK. Oh
well. I 'll know next time.
SkyeDS: I don't think beans and peas are as carby as the other carby
things you didn't do though.
evile: well, no.
SkyeDS: and I still think when you eat out, you do good just to stay
as close as possible. Lord knows that isn't easy.
evile: Just have to put in some extra walking or a few extra weight
reps at the gym tonight. No biggie.
SkyeDS: drink extra water helps I've heard
evile: yup
evile: the yahoo recipe say s there are 12 g carbs per 2 CUPS of
hummus. At most I probably had 1/4 cup.
evile: that cant be right...
SkyeDS: <hopefully> maybe it is
evile: No, I think the recipe makes 2 cups total and they didn't give
the serving amount.
evile: who eats 2 cups of mushed up chickpeas at a sitting? that's
just crazy..
evile: Hummus is basically a condiment. So I just can't see it...
SkyeDS: I like garbanzos on Italian style salads
evile: 2 oz maybe? That seems more reasonable for a serving size.
SkyeDS: I am not usually a big bean/pea person, but I like chickpeas,
black eyed peas and lima beans
evile: I only like chickpeas in hummus, black eyed peas on new years
day, and limas the way my grandmother made 'em. :)
SkyeDS: I don't like okra if it isn't the way my gramma makes it, and
I don't like squash except for the way you make it.
evile: Hee. that's funny :)
evile: food is such a wierd thing.
evile: people have so many issues and associations with food. I
wonder if people would buy 'human chow' just to get away from all the
wierdness of it.
SkyeDS: that would be boring, adn I'm sure there are sheeple who
probably would just for teh sake of the boringness
evile: Well, there are people who live on bars & shakes, so people
chow wouldn't be too far off for them :) It would make it easier if
you were dieting, but you're right: boring!!
SkyeDS: I was just thinking that. And I have to admit, that when I
first get up, liquid is about all I can stand, and endocrinologists
say you should eat something within an hour of waking up, and eat
something every four hours until you go to bed. Bars and shakes are
handy on occasion, but...nothing but?
evile: Yeah. I'm not a big breakfast person, so my biggest problem
has been reminding myself to at least bring something with me to
work if I cant' force myself to eat right when I get up. You're
supposed to do a big breakfast and then a smaller lunch and a very
small dinner...but I just can't eat first thing in the a.m.
SkyeDS: I've heard the saying, Eat your breakfast yourself, share
your lunch with a friend and give your dinner to your enemy ...LOL.
But if I'm going to ingest something balanced within an hour of
waking it has to be a bar or a shake, just about, even when I wake up
ravenous.
evile: I guess the main thing is remembering to eat first thing so
you don't go into 'starvation' mode and binge the rest of the day.
SkyeDS: I've been studying Barry Sears, the Zone, in addition to
Atkins. Spears is an endocrinologist whose main field was the
specific study of drug release on the body. Before he wrote his
plan. And interestingly enough his plan isn't so much of a diet as a
regimen that works for everyone, including word class athletes,
Olympians and football teams, as well as people who need to lose
weight. It seems predicated on insulin as a drug, and control of
insulin.
evile: I've read about the zone. It seems pretty reasonable.
SkyeDS: it requires more thought and discipline than Atkins
evile: yeah. Alot of people don't want to do that much planning &
shopping and such.
evile: Well, I'm about done for today. Time to ride the freak bus
home.
SkyeDS: I haven't adopted the entire plan yet, adn it would work best
if I did. However, walking an hour, eating every four hours, and
other such insulin controls, I have already incorporated or am going
to.
SkyeDS: <hugs> travel safely, godspeed.
evile: Every little bit helps. Just being conscious of your eating
habits is a good start. :)
evile: Take care!
SkyeDS: ciao bella
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