12/17/02 EJ

 

 

1048 Re: god damn it

 

• Dec. 17, 2002

   

  Tom finished up his evites & hit 'send' yesterday afternoon --we both
  thought to add our own addresses as 'tests'. Then we waited. and
  waited. no evite email. I went in this a.m. and doublechecked, found
  that we hadn't changed it from 'send 4 days before'. so I changed it
  to 'send now'. that was about 2 hrs ago. still no evite. dammit

 

1050 ethics convo

 

• Dec. 18, 2002

   

  forgot to write about it yesterday. now it is not so fresh in my mind.
  
  ah well.
  
  Z & Adam (Z recommended ourlittlequad.com for practical poly advice)
  Steve (jerk)
  Ann (monkeywrench books worker who is poly)
  Patrick (Monkeywrench store clerk on duty who stayed to listen)
  Lindsay (sex nerds, sex_nerts@hotmail.com, 'zine. Next issue
  is 'consent'. submissions due jan 1)
  Pace
  Terri (little obnoxious writer, poet, pagan, lesbian chick
  whose girlfriend Rachel was at teh star party)
  Rachel (different rachel, transsexual who was special forces?)
  Stephanie (from austin poly, nice deaf TS gal who I admire)
  Rebecca (moderator/host, also TS)
  
  Ethics: websters definition, rules of society
  
  Dictionary.com:
  n.
  A set of principles of right conduct.
  A theory or a system of moral values: "An ethic of service is at war
  with a craving for gain" (Gregg Easterbrook).
  ethics (used with a sing. verb) The study of the general nature of
  morals and of the specific moral choices to be made by a person;
  moral philosophy.
  ethics (used with a sing. or pl. verb) The rules or standards
  governing the conduct of a person or the members of a profession:
  medical ethics.
  =================
  Questions about is it ethical to be monogamous, for a monogamous
  couple to raise a child, etc. Or for a poly couple to decide to be
  monogamous for a set amount of time.
  
  Z brought up 'interdependence' vs 'codependence'. I agreed that
  monogamy seems to foster codependence rather than interdependence and
  brought up that so many people get involved with a new romance &
  ditch their friends, interests,outside life, and devote all their
  energy to their new partner's needs & interests. then, when/if
  there's a breakup, the person has no friends, interests anymore.
  
  We talked about the contractual nature of monogamy
  about the 'ownership' nature of marriage.
  about how alone a widow or widower can be without any other strong
  romantic/sexual ties in place.
  it was very interesting.
  
  Afterwards, stephanie made pace blush. pace has been on female
  hormone treatment for a week, stephanie asked if he'd gotten himself
  off since starting, and how wonderfully different it is, how
  much 'cleaner' the orgasm is, "more like a female orgasm". That was
  interesting, but Pace said he couldn't talk about that, he was shy.
  It was funny.