evile | Sep. 21st, 2004

Sep. 21st, 2004

Sep. 21, 2004

It is to laugh!

This morning's first caffeine-fueled 'deep thought' involves a
gelling of some ideas about 'evil.'

I am reading a book called i, Lucifer which, as with many pop
culture depictions of Satan, depicts him as a lovable scalawag, a
sort of Dudley-Moore "Arthur" with a few bits of brimstone stuck to
his shoes. To me, making the entity of absolute evil and pure hate a
sympathetic character is terrifying. Almost as bad as making evil
banal (as our current White House resident does).

I read an online discussion yesterday regarding a biography of Hitler
which portrayed him as human, rather than Satan. Apparently it shows
his kindness to animals and his artistic side.

People argued both sides of this; some saying that the man was evil
and nobody should be sympathetic, some saying that humans have a
tendency towards painting everything in pure black & pure white,
whereas the reality is often grey.

The fact that Hitler was nice to dogs does not make the horror of
what he did to millions of humans forgivable, but it shows that it's
a path any human can walk down, given the right set of circumstances
& inborn abilities.

Nobody wants to look into their hearts and see that they are capable
of as much or more evil as any Gacy or Hitler. But we all have our
dark side, we all have things we hate enough to destroy irrationally.

And at the same time, most people can't actually conceive of anything
that is pure evil and pure hate. Satan, in his pre-pop-culture days,
was a terrifying figure, and a good reason to go to church and tithe
and obey the priests no matter what they said.

There is damnation in reducing evil to something we can understand
and excuse. Humans are in an interesting place, in that we are
capable of so many extremes. We are the race that produced both
Hitler and Mother Theresa, after all.

After all of this deep thought, I remember once talking with X,
saying I wanted a Chinese symbol for "evil" tattooed on me
somewhere (mostly because my DJ name & my real life nickname at the
time was 'evile') and she was horrified by the concept, saying that
if I had such a thing permanently put on my body, I would not be
allowed to be her child's goddessmother anymore.

And then, years later, the friendship ended over things far more
serious than skin and ink.

I love irony. It's so ironic.

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Sep. 21, 2004

http://www.theweeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/6
16jszlg.asp

Now They Want to Euthanize Children

In the Netherlands, 31 percent of pediatricians have killed infants.
A fifth of these killings were done without the "consent" of parents.
Going Dutch has never been so horrible.

by Wesley J. Smith

FIRST, Dutch euthanasia advocates said that patient killing will be
limited to the competent, terminally ill who ask for it. Then, when
doctors began euthanizing patients who clearly were not terminally
ill, sweat not, they soothed: medicalized killing will be limited to
competent people with incurable illnesses or disabilities. Then, when
doctors began killing patients who were depressed but not physically
ill, not to worry, they told us: only competent depressed people
whose desire to commit suicide is "rational" will have their deaths
facilitated. Then, when doctors began killing incompetent people,
such as those with Alzheimer's, it's all under control, they crooned:
non-voluntary killing will be limited to patients who would have
asked for it if they were competent.

And now they want to euthanize children.

In the Netherlands, Groningen University Hospital has decided its
doctors will euthanize children under the age of 12, if doctors
believe their suffering is intolerable or if they have an incurable
illness. But what does that mean? In many cases, as occurs now with
adults, it will become an excuse not to provide proper pain control
for children who are dying of potentially agonizing maladies such as
cancer, and doing away with them instead. As for those
deemed "incurable"--this term is merely a euphemism for killing
babies and children who are seriously disabled.

For anyone paying attention to the continuing collapse of medical
ethics in the Netherlands, this isn't at all shocking. Dutch doctors
have been surreptitiously engaging in eugenic euthanasia of disabled
babies for years,

although it technically is illegal, since infants can't consent to be
killed. Indeed, a disturbing 1997 study published in the British
medical journal, the Lancet, revealed how deeply pediatric euthanasia
has already metastasized into Dutch neo natal medical practice:
According to the report, doctors were killing approximately 8 percent
of all infants who died each year in the Netherlands. That amounts to
approximately 80-90 per year. Of these, one-third would have lived
more than a month. At least 10-15 of these killings involved infants
who did not require life-sustaining treatment to stay alive. The
study found that a shocking 45 percent of neo-natologists and 31
percent of pediatricians who responded to questionnaires had killed
infants.

It took the Dutch almost 30 years for their medical practices to fall
to the point that Dutch doctors are able to engage in the kind of
euthanasia activities that got some German doctors hanged after
Nuremberg. For those who object to this assertion by claiming that
German doctors killed disabled babies during World War II without
consent of parents, so too do many Dutch doctors: Approximately 21
percent of the infant euthanasia deaths occurred without request or
consent of parents. Moreover, since when did parents attain the moral
right to have their children killed?

Euthanasia consciousness is catching. The Netherlands' neighbor
Belgium decided to jump off the same cliff as the Dutch only two
years ago. But already, they have caught up with the Dutch in their
freefall into the moral abyss. The very first Belgian euthanasia of a
person with multiple sclerosis violated the law; and just as occurs
routinely in the Netherlands, the doctor involved faced no
consequences. Now Belgium is set to legalize neo-pediatric
euthanasia. Two Belgian legislators justify their plan to permit
children to ask for their own mercy killing on the basis that young
people "have as much right to choose" euthanasia as anyone else. Yet,
these same children who are supposedly mature enough to decide to die
would be ineligible to obtain a driver's license.

Why does accepting euthanasia as a remedy for suffering in very
limited circumstances inevitably lead to never-ending expansion of
the killing license? Blame the radically altered mindset that results
when killing is redefined from a moral wrong into a beneficent and
legal act. If killing is right for, say the adult cancer patient, why
shouldn't it be just as right for the disabled quadriplegic, the
suicidal mother whose children have been killed in an accident, or
the infant born with profound mental retardation? At that point, laws
and regulations erected to protect the vulnerable against abuse come
to be seen as obstructions that must be surmounted. From there, it is
only a hop, skip, and a jump to deciding that killing is the
preferable option.

Wesley J. Smith is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute, an
attorney for the International Task Force on Euthanasia and Assisted
Suicide, and a special consultant to the Center for Bioethics and
Culture. His next book, Consumer's Guide to a Brave New World will be
released in October.

© Copyright 2004, News Corporation, Weekly Standard, All Rights
Reserved.

Sep. 21, 2004

evile: *hugs* Happy Tuesday !
SkyeDS: hugs :)
evile: I feel productive,if slightly blistered. I did a bit of yard
work yesterday after work :)
SkyeDS: cool :)
evile: And got my groceries for Equinox dinner :)
SkyeDS: think we might do something on Thu
evile: *nods* cool :)
evile: I got lazy & just bought a dessert for tomorrow, instead of
making one.
SkyeDS: <no problems with lazy. evile: I needed pomegranate juice and a fresh pomegranate, which is apparently something I've got to hunt for. Nevermind! SkyeDS: like when I try to find sorghum stalks SkyeDS: lots of farmers around grow them but they're never in the store SkyeDS: I have to find a field full and pick one evile: *nod* evile: I keep telling myself I need to start going to Farmer's Markets regularly, but I haven't yet. SkyeDS: I'm gettin about tired of the two other women in this office SkyeDS: first the pregnant one keeps having heat flashes so she turns the ac down to freezing SkyeDS: and tries to get me in trouble w Hugh when I turn the thermo up all of two degrees because i have the coldest office in the building SkyeDS: then, I fix the situation by turning on my space heater SkyeDS: and then they both come bitch because they can smell it. evile: ugh. I keep a fleece jacket at work for such. Some days it's like a meat locker in here. SkyeDS: I wore long sleeves, Hugh's sweater, and Hugh's Great Coat, one day, and sineater said at dinner that my hands were still like icicles SkyeDS: hence the heater evile: damn. SkyeDS: I do not understand why I apparently lack the ability to coexist with others in an office, when I spend nearly all my day, holed up in my office, with no contact with them evile: No tellin. SkyeDS: I don't hog the bathroom. I don't trash the bathroom. I don't burn popcorn or other foul smelling substances in the microwave. SkyeDS: I don't eat anything I don't bring myself. evile: You're asking the wrong person. I've been hated here by coworkers since day fuckin' 1 and I don't have much of a clue why. SkyeDS: maybe it isn't our fault. evile: Some people are just really unhappy and they have taken it as their life mission to make everyone else unhappy, too. Also, lots of people take work way yyy more seriously than they should. SkyeDS: well, if they can smell my heater, and it bothers them, maybe they might consider not turning the AC down so low as to make it necessary evile: um...but why would they make themselves unhappy & uncomfortable just for YOU? That flies in the face of their selfish behavior up to now.. SkyeDS: well, it's like this, they can't have it both ways SkyeDS: so choose one evil or the other SkyeDS: but if you choose to freeze my office, I'm going to have a heater. evile: *nod* evile: I'm trying to convince Bryce to come out to PNO on Thurs. He is a stubborn critter. SkyeDS: but a pretty one, and smart evile: *nod* SkyeDS: Drandmir's Troy is a cute little thing evile: I totally understand where he's coming from,but I think it'd be good for him to get out of the house. I don't think I know Troy. What does he look like? SkyeDS: rides the scooter SkyeDS: always has girls following him around but isn't arrogant about it SkyeDS: Nemo. evile: nope, I don't think I've met him, that I know of. SkyeDS: cute kid, nice personality, not arrogant. SkyeDS: if he stays that way, he'll be quite a catch later on in life evile: *shrugs* Not ringing any bells SkyeDS: is Bryce depressed? did he lose his SOs? evile: he got laid off. His main SO that I know of is in grad school in NM. SkyeDS: :( evile: plane fare to albuquerque is still only $145. I should take him out to visit her. evile: I think she's going to be here for CMA samhain soon, though... SkyeDS: I'm hoping Harvest King goes well SkyeDS: would be nice, although I really don't need more group demands on my time evile: Oh, are y'all going for sure? SkyeDS: nods SkyeDS: sineater says carpooling would be good evile: cool. it's $35 to get tix online, $50 at gate. If y'all are going, I guess I should get mine soon. SkyeDS: I'm going to buy mine on the first of the month online evile: sounds like a plan :) SkyeDS: they also do some sort of gate discount for pagan friendly purchases SkyeDS: but I don't know if they do that if you bought online evile: 'pagan friendly purchases'? what the hell does that mean? evile: LIke, if I say "I'm going to spend $20 at your vendors when you let me in" they'll let me in for $30? SkyeDS: anything from a pagan vendor/store SkyeDS: no, before you get there evile: makes no sense. SkyeDS: take a receipt with you SkyeDS: they'll take your word about whatever store you got it from evile: I could make up my own receipt, if I wanted. evile: that's very ....silly. Very sweet notion, but not good sense. SkyeDS: nods evile: things cost what they cost. *shrug* they should charge accordingly. SkyeDS: yep evile: oh well. for this and other reasons, I don't think ESA will last long. SkyeDS: I don't see how CMA has lasted as long as it has, considerin evile: yeah.. evile: Apparently Loki Coyote was one of the major players in the last bit of CMA unpleasantness. SkyeDS: on which side I wonder evile: I didn't follow too closely, but I think he was one of the people who was trying to get the standing CMA board arrested & thrown out & made up the 'new ad hoc board' or whatever it was called. SkyeDS: so glad I bailed when I did, although I should have bailed even earlier, had I been paying attention to the fact that all my friends had already bailed evile: *nod* I think there was some time between you bailing & the old board vs. new board hoo-ha when it was pleasant. evile: seems that there was a lot of hashing on the LJ community txpagans, maybe last year around this time. SkyeDS: I spent some of last night's populace meeting trying to stay out of politics SkyeDS: ridiculous evile: *nod* SkyeDS: I have come to the conclusion that the Kumpania needs a crash course in courtly courtesy evile: humans in groups tend to get nasty. nature of the beast. SkyeDS: mostly so we know which brass hats denote what evile: *nod* SkyeDS: but beyond that, the royalty can all go fuck themselves SkyeDS: "I don't want to be under that pavilion if that bird's there" SkyeDS: fuck off evile: if it's your pavilion, sure. evile: seems to me like whoever's 'home' it is has final word on who is and isn't welcome there...but maybe that makes too much sense. SkyeDS: the person who made the comment was a friend of the pavilion owner SkyeDS: who didn't bother to mention it until SIX months later SkyeDS: and Arthur has not been beneath said pavilion since SkyeDS: because we hang with the equestrians now evile: bizarre. SkyeDS: forgive me SkyeDS: he was under said pavilion once, when it was set up as the Equestrian Pavilion SkyeDS: and no royalty were there SkyeDS: or at least not the royalty in question SkyeDS: and the last King held Arthur while on the Throne so SkyeDS: and to tell you the truth, Romany don't give a fuck about gadje royalty anyway SkyeDS: so, I do want to know how to recognize rank when I see it SkyeDS: and how to behave SkyeDS: but that's it evile: You know...seems like saying something directly & in a timely fashin might work better than all this he-said, she-said drama- stirring. Y'all are pretty reasonable about the critters when asked directly about them..in my experience, anyway. SkyeDS: I don't give a damn about personal preferences evile: In my experience, y'all bring Arthur when he's invited and leave him home when asked...and as far as i know it hasn't ever been a problem either way SkyeDS: well, it was attempted to turn the issue into, royalty doesn't like Arthur SkyeDS: well no. SkyeDS: some don't, and some do. evile: *nod* SkyeDS: if someone had said, for example, this is Crown Pavilion and their Majesties want Arthur to leave, obviously he would leave SkyeDS: but since some of the Royalty have actively sought out Arthur and/or the girls SkyeDS: I see no reason to assume that all Royalty feel the same way SkyeDS: so it's not an issue of how to treat Royalty, which I agree, I need to learn SkyeDS: (or how to reconigze who's what) SkyeDS: I know how to treat them, I just need to recognize the difference between duke, count, baron, earl, etc, when I see them evile: *nod* SkyeDS: they all wear little brass coronets, and I can't tell one from the other SkyeDS: I do know the King, Queen and Crown Heirs when I see them evile: sounds like an awful lot of extra work. SkyeDS: it is. SkyeDS: and some Kings and Dukes are respected more than others SkyeDS: and bla bla bla evile: heh. too much work for an unpaid free time activity, imho. SkyeDS: Karen likes to play the game of which kings and which dukes do you respect more than others SkyeDS: I d on't evile: *nod* SkyeDS: I'm going to treat offices with the respect they deserve SkyeDS: I'm not going to play the popularity game evile: sounds like the way to go. SkyeDS: I don't want to be a peer SkyeDS: I don't want to play peerage games evile: seems reasonable. SkyeDS: Karen shoots down everything Randy wants to do, too evile: that's too bad. SkyeDS: I sit there, watch, and just scratch my head evile: probably best to stay on the sidelines when people are doing bizarre powertripping stuff SkyeDS: and then Bridget invites Randy, sight unseen, to be in her Horse Ballet evile: wow. SkyeDS: for all she knows, RAndy's horse might behave as bad or worse than Moose (her Lippi) SkyeDS: he doesn't, because I chose him, and I'm training him SkyeDS: but she doesn't know that evile: word of mouth would have told her if she was making a bad choice... SkyeDS: and, she out and out lied to the KEO about me, and apparently without a word to me, the KEO set her straight SkyeDS: word of mouth should have told her, t hen, that Randy can't do anything with his horse yet because we're still breaking buddy sour problems evile: hm. SkyeDS: but Bridget was so sure that there aren't any problems that couldn't be handled by someone on the ground SkyeDS: I got news for you honey SkyeDS: that don't fix buddy sour evile: that's not an entertaining problem, however. Non horse people wouldn't bother gossiping about something like that. SkyeDS: that gets your ground crew hurt SkyeDS: Bridget and Karen are cut from the same cloth evile: that's too bad. SkyeDS: and Bridget looks like the likely next KEO SkyeDS: there won't be many equestrians left after her tenure is over, if she is SkyeDS: and the KEO, apparently, had some words with her about poaching my students evile: that's good, at least. SkyeDS: I told Randy, look, I don't care if Megs takes riding lessons from B. SkyeDS: B rides better than I do SkyeDS: she can't train horses worth shit or she wouldn't have a Lippi she can't ride SkyeDS: so, go ahead and let Megs take from her SkyeDS: and when she ruins Strider, bring him to me, and I'll fix it evile: ugh. poor horse. SkyeDS: well yeah SkyeDS: Megs won't be able to do dressage with Strider yet SkyeDS: so she'd have to ride some other horse evile: *nod* SkyeDS: and all she wants to do, is ride HER horse SkyeDS: (and Jesse of course0 evile: yeah. evile: that's understandable. evile: My boss is standing on my last nerve here.... SkyeDS: :( evile: She is going to learn, like everyone else has, that I can out- stubborn anyone and anything and I do NOT respond to sniping and nagging. SkyeDS: wish I could teach my mother that evile: I am going to do things MY way or they just won't be done at all. Them's her options. evile: (i suspect htat your mom can probably outstubborn you..she's a taurus, right? :P) SkyeDS: she's taurus sun whereas I'm just taurus rising SkyeDS: but I can be stubborn when provoked evile: *nod* SkyeDS: for example, I have been known to not bathe for three days because she nags at me evile: hm. evile: strikes me as being more punishment for you than for her... but if it won you a moral victory, OK SkyeDS: it is SkyeDS: it's hard on me because I usually bathe twice a day every day evile: *nod* SkyeDS: however, when it's the first thing she says when I walk t hrough the door, a nd the only thing she says until I comply evile: that's kind of rude! SkyeDS: all she has to do, is just leave me alone, and I will take a bath in short order, but it took her years to figure that out evile: wow. SkyeDS: got ot make some copies SkyeDS: HUGS SkyeDS: gl w Bryce evile: see ya tomorrow *hugs* evile: thanks :)

Sep. 21, 2004

> Re: yip
> kaleon
> 2004-09-12 11:27
> I always loved people who were too cowardly to leave their real
names
> and hide behind words such as anonymous. Also funny, because I left
> her, not the other way around. And yeah, there are three sides to
> every story, and usually all three of them have some truth to them.
> Hope you have fun being the coward that you are and always have
been.
> I, on the other hand, am finally happy and do not have to feel like
a
> worthless piece of trash like i did for two years. If you are one
of
> her men, I wish you well and hope you two are happy, I have nothing
> against you. If you are her other man, then enjoy the wire birdcage
> she puts you in and the whips you recieve, have fun with that.
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he added these:

Re: yip part 1
kaleon
2004-09-21 17:09 (link)
Actually, I would like to clear the air about this post, since I
think I owe it to the people who read this and know me.
***
Your last girlfriend put up with your shit, contrary to all the
advice the rest of us gave her, for nearly seven years.

Contrary to the advice the rest of us gave her, she took you back
after you lied to her, cheated on her, and were physically violent
toward her.
***

We put up with mutual shit, and I never lied to her until she lost
all respect I had for her over the course of a visit in October about
4 years back and I realized that she had been lying to me off and on
for our entire relationship. It is helpful to see how someone lies to
one person they are in a relationship with and then see that same
behavior being directed at you so that you know what is really
happening.

A word on the cheating, I felt bad about that for a very long time
until I really sat down and thought about it. I had been lied to
repeatedly for a couple years about what was actually going on and
that, to me, is as bad as physically cheating. Also, I was given
permission to persue the relationship I was interested in and even
*pushed* to do just that. When I did, however, Skye didn't like it,
just as she is hypocritical about sineater having relationship outside of
her. She is just fine with it as long as it gives her the chance to
sleep with anyone she wants, but heaven forbid anyone else does.

The physical abuse. I have never laid a hand on skye, not once in 7
years, not even after she physically hit me, threw things at me, drew
a knife on me and brandished her whip (which she loves to use on her
husband before locking him nude in a bird cage for not doing what she
wants). The only time I have even hinted at violence was when I threw
a glass vase at the wall behind her because I fed up with her public
displays. This is a woman that does not like to fight in private,
only public and will run out into the hall of a dorm, or outside an
apartment and start bawling and crying to try and get attention and
pity for herself. The other time was when I raised my hand to defend
myself after she had already hit me once nad I told her not to do it
again or i'd returnt eh favor.
****

Contrary to the advice the rest of us gave her, she took you back a
second time, after you left her again, for no reason that makes sense
to any of the rest of us.
****

This reason that doesn't make sense to the rest of them involves
lying and putting me at medical risk. It involves repeated denial and
lying and then going behind my back and not even having the courage
to admit it later (even I admitted my own trespass on that later).
She made it quite clear that she wanted me gone and I gladly left. It
wasn't until she started gilt-tripping me and lying about what her
sister-in-law was saying that I took her back, after she begged me
too. It was a mistake and I knew it then, all she wanted was a
possession to dangle on a string and go to when her other two men got
tired of her bullshit. Yet I was lonley and horney and so went back
to hell.
****

The rest of us all watched her drive a few hundred miles every month
to visit you in college. But now that your here, you can't manage a
mere hour's drive to her ranch every once in a while, leaving the
burden of travel completely on her shoulders.
****

I never minded the drive and if I knew I wasn't going to be
completely ignored when I got there I was always happy to drive it if
I had time to get back to work the next day. The problem was that
that was the *only* way she would see me, and then I had to share her
time with the otehr two men, even so far as share her bed with one of
them if I wanted to stay the night. She would invite me over, then
start a fight on hostile ground for me and not let me leave to go
home unless I wanted "abandon her like her first husband" (whom I now
think had the right idea).

cont.
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Re: yip part 2
kaleon
2004-09-21 17:11 (link)
cont.

****
Devoted? She was more damn devoted to you for seven years than you
deserved. All take and no give? ROFL
****
Devotion I define as giving equal time to, treating with respect, not
ignoring, and not making excuses. Devoted is also not continuously
draggin me into fights with her and sineater and forcing me to take her
side or have congucal rights revoked, watching her beat her husband
while he was nude for making an honest mistak that she herself makes
all the time. I don't care about the multiple relationships, although
everyone in the poly community here in austin that knows her seems to
think she gives polyamory a bad name since she doesn't know the
meaning of the word "equal attention" or treating each with respect.

*****

According to her, she left you this time because you were
unrelentingly and aggressively hostile to her every time she didn't
cowtow to your childish demands. In case you missed what the rest of
us all saw, she was in a NECK BRACE for more than six months, and her
neck will never completely heal. At night she's practically immobile
and incapacitated, and cries herself to sleep because she hurts so
bad.

The account she gave the rest of us about the final straw went
something like this. You woke her up one night by touching her in a
sexual way. In your hostility at her refusal, you apparently didn't
even hear her trying to explain to you that the only time she feels
well enough for any physically stressing activity is first thing in
the morning, after a good night's sleep. She tried to tell you that
she took the next day off work, just so she could satisfy your sexual
needs. That apparently wasn't good enough, and so she left.
****
Ahh, this story. Well, a bit of clarification. She wasn't wearing a
neck brace yet, and had even repeatedly refused to go to the doctor
to have her neck looked at. (not to mention the fact that evne after
she was told to wear it she didn't do it like she was supposed and
prolly did permanent damage to herself) She was complaining of a
headache that night I grant, but then she has complained of headaches
so often over the last seven years that I can't remember her ever not
having a "migraine" as she calls them (I wish for once she would have
a headache like my dad, my brother or I have and see how she handled
them, her ehadaches are such a call for attention, either that or she
has the least tolerance for pain that I have ever seen). I did touch
her in a sexual way, she was nude beside me and I woke up hormonal
and half asleep I rolled over and carressed her, when I woke up
enough to realize what I was doing I stopped of my own accord, but
that wasn't good enough for her. Instead of asking me nicely to stop
she attacked me for doing it and made me feel like an interloper in
*my own bed* and I told her so, which turned her attacks into yelling
and she stormed around the apartment screaming and threatening to
leave until I told her "bye, have a nice drive home, I don't need
this shit." She then left, but only as far as outside on the steps to
start bawling and trying to draw me out like she always had before.
It didn't work this time and she finaly got tired of it and cursed (I
was watchign through the peephole) and left, obviously not nearly as
upset as she was pretending to be. She called a few days later and
tried to get an apology out of me which I replied to her that I had
nothing to apologize for and that I felt that this relationship had
no where to go and hung up on her. Sounds to me like I was the one to
end it, but then it was prolly that way on both sides.

conc.
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Re: yip part 2
kaleon
2004-09-21 17:12 (link)
concluded

***
Anyone who knows her knows that she is generous to a fault with
everything she has to give. Some of us originally hated her ever
lovin guts and hurt her very badly in the past, more than once, but
she always forgives, and then keeps right on giving.
****

Generous to a fault so long as she gets something out of it, either
acclaim or pity, yes. Selflessly generous? not hardly, even she
admits that she is a utterly selfish creature, and that's all there
is to say about this comment. Oh, and she never forgives, forgiving
means you move on, she has *never* moved on from any slight that has
ever been done to her.
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There's always three sides to every story, his, hers, and the truth
somewhere in between. And yours has been heard over and over, in our
homes, at our parties and at poly dinners and every other social
gathering. And then there's what we've seen with our own eyes.
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Actually I never talked about mine anywhere except to three people,
Skye's sister-in-law, a girl online, and my sister Dana. I defended
her to everyone at the only two poly dinners I went to, because they
kept calling her names and telling me that they were happy I was
finally free of her (even so far as hugging a completel stranger
because they knew how skye was). Not sure who's homes are being
discussed here, since I was never at anyone's home except the
aforementioned sister-in-law, and the only party I was at I was too
busy having fun to talk about skye. The only other social gatherings
I went to were GWNN parties and once again, I was too busy having d/s
fun to talk bout skye, although a lot of the people from the poly
dinners were also at these parties and would give me a hug now and
then and say they were happy for me.