2531Re: LJ poo storm, skye_ds & kaleon
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> Re: yip
> kaleon
> 2004-09-12 11:27
> I always loved people who were too cowardly to leave their real
names
> and hide behind words such as anonymous. Also funny, because I left
> her, not the other way around. And yeah, there are three sides to
> every story, and usually all three of them have some truth to them.
> Hope you have fun being the coward that you are and always have
been.
> I, on the other hand, am finally happy and do not have to feel like
a
> worthless piece of trash like i did for two years. If you are one
of
> her men, I wish you well and hope you two are happy, I have nothing
> against you. If you are her other man, then enjoy the wire birdcage
> she puts you in and the whips you recieve, have fun with that.
=======
he added these:
Re: yip part 1
kaleon
2004-09-21 17:09 (link)
Actually, I would like to clear the air about this post, since I
think I owe it to the people who read this and know me.
***
Your last girlfriend put up with your shit, contrary to all the
advice the rest of us gave her, for nearly seven years.
Contrary to the advice the rest of us gave her, she took you back
after you lied to her, cheated on her, and were physically violent
toward her.
***
We put up with mutual shit, and I never lied to her until she lost
all respect I had for her over the course of a visit in October about
4 years back and I realized that she had been lying to me off and on
for our entire relationship. It is helpful to see how someone lies to
one person they are in a relationship with and then see that same
behavior being directed at you so that you know what is really
happening.
A word on the cheating, I felt bad about that for a very long time
until I really sat down and thought about it. I had been lied to
repeatedly for a couple years about what was actually going on and
that, to me, is as bad as physically cheating. Also, I was given
permission to persue the relationship I was interested in and even
*pushed* to do just that. When I did, however, Skye didn't like it,
just as she is hypocritical about sineater having relationship outside of
her. She is just fine with it as long as it gives her the chance to
sleep with anyone she wants, but heaven forbid anyone else does.
The physical abuse. I have never laid a hand on skye, not once in 7
years, not even after she physically hit me, threw things at me, drew
a knife on me and brandished her whip (which she loves to use on her
husband before locking him nude in a bird cage for not doing what she
wants). The only time I have even hinted at violence was when I threw
a glass vase at the wall behind her because I fed up with her public
displays. This is a woman that does not like to fight in private,
only public and will run out into the hall of a dorm, or outside an
apartment and start bawling and crying to try and get attention and
pity for herself. The other time was when I raised my hand to defend
myself after she had already hit me once nad I told her not to do it
again or i'd returnt eh favor.
****
Contrary to the advice the rest of us gave her, she took you back a
second time, after you left her again, for no reason that makes sense
to any of the rest of us.
****
This reason that doesn't make sense to the rest of them involves
lying and putting me at medical risk. It involves repeated denial and
lying and then going behind my back and not even having the courage
to admit it later (even I admitted my own trespass on that later).
She made it quite clear that she wanted me gone and I gladly left. It
wasn't until she started gilt-tripping me and lying about what her
sister-in-law was saying that I took her back, after she begged me
too. It was a mistake and I knew it then, all she wanted was a
possession to dangle on a string and go to when her other two men got
tired of her bullshit. Yet I was lonley and horney and so went back
to hell.
****
The rest of us all watched her drive a few hundred miles every month
to visit you in college. But now that your here, you can't manage a
mere hour's drive to her ranch every once in a while, leaving the
burden of travel completely on her shoulders.
****
I never minded the drive and if I knew I wasn't going to be
completely ignored when I got there I was always happy to drive it if
I had time to get back to work the next day. The problem was that
that was the *only* way she would see me, and then I had to share her
time with the otehr two men, even so far as share her bed with one of
them if I wanted to stay the night. She would invite me over, then
start a fight on hostile ground for me and not let me leave to go
home unless I wanted "abandon her like her first husband" (whom I now
think had the right idea).
cont.
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Re: yip part 2
kaleon
2004-09-21 17:11 (link)
cont.
****
Devoted? She was more damn devoted to you for seven years than you
deserved. All take and no give? ROFL
****
Devotion I define as giving equal time to, treating with respect, not
ignoring, and not making excuses. Devoted is also not continuously
draggin me into fights with her and sineater and forcing me to take her
side or have congucal rights revoked, watching her beat her husband
while he was nude for making an honest mistak that she herself makes
all the time. I don't care about the multiple relationships, although
everyone in the poly community here in austin that knows her seems to
think she gives polyamory a bad name since she doesn't know the
meaning of the word "equal attention" or treating each with respect.
*****
According to her, she left you this time because you were
unrelentingly and aggressively hostile to her every time she didn't
cowtow to your childish demands. In case you missed what the rest of
us all saw, she was in a NECK BRACE for more than six months, and her
neck will never completely heal. At night she's practically immobile
and incapacitated, and cries herself to sleep because she hurts so
bad.
The account she gave the rest of us about the final straw went
something like this. You woke her up one night by touching her in a
sexual way. In your hostility at her refusal, you apparently didn't
even hear her trying to explain to you that the only time she feels
well enough for any physically stressing activity is first thing in
the morning, after a good night's sleep. She tried to tell you that
she took the next day off work, just so she could satisfy your sexual
needs. That apparently wasn't good enough, and so she left.
****
Ahh, this story. Well, a bit of clarification. She wasn't wearing a
neck brace yet, and had even repeatedly refused to go to the doctor
to have her neck looked at. (not to mention the fact that evne after
she was told to wear it she didn't do it like she was supposed and
prolly did permanent damage to herself) She was complaining of a
headache that night I grant, but then she has complained of headaches
so often over the last seven years that I can't remember her ever not
having a "migraine" as she calls them (I wish for once she would have
a headache like my dad, my brother or I have and see how she handled
them, her ehadaches are such a call for attention, either that or she
has the least tolerance for pain that I have ever seen). I did touch
her in a sexual way, she was nude beside me and I woke up hormonal
and half asleep I rolled over and carressed her, when I woke up
enough to realize what I was doing I stopped of my own accord, but
that wasn't good enough for her. Instead of asking me nicely to stop
she attacked me for doing it and made me feel like an interloper in
*my own bed* and I told her so, which turned her attacks into yelling
and she stormed around the apartment screaming and threatening to
leave until I told her "bye, have a nice drive home, I don't need
this shit." She then left, but only as far as outside on the steps to
start bawling and trying to draw me out like she always had before.
It didn't work this time and she finaly got tired of it and cursed (I
was watchign through the peephole) and left, obviously not nearly as
upset as she was pretending to be. She called a few days later and
tried to get an apology out of me which I replied to her that I had
nothing to apologize for and that I felt that this relationship had
no where to go and hung up on her. Sounds to me like I was the one to
end it, but then it was prolly that way on both sides.
conc.
(Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)
Re: yip part 2
kaleon
2004-09-21 17:12 (link)
concluded
***
Anyone who knows her knows that she is generous to a fault with
everything she has to give. Some of us originally hated her ever
lovin guts and hurt her very badly in the past, more than once, but
she always forgives, and then keeps right on giving.
****
Generous to a fault so long as she gets something out of it, either
acclaim or pity, yes. Selflessly generous? not hardly, even she
admits that she is a utterly selfish creature, and that's all there
is to say about this comment. Oh, and she never forgives, forgiving
means you move on, she has *never* moved on from any slight that has
ever been done to her.
*****
There's always three sides to every story, his, hers, and the truth
somewhere in between. And yours has been heard over and over, in our
homes, at our parties and at poly dinners and every other social
gathering. And then there's what we've seen with our own eyes.
*****
Actually I never talked about mine anywhere except to three people,
Skye's sister-in-law, a girl online, and my sister Dana. I defended
her to everyone at the only two poly dinners I went to, because they
kept calling her names and telling me that they were happy I was
finally free of her (even so far as hugging a completel stranger
because they knew how skye was). Not sure who's homes are being
discussed here, since I was never at anyone's home except the
aforementioned sister-in-law, and the only party I was at I was too
busy having fun to talk about skye. The only other social gatherings
I went to were GWNN parties and once again, I was too busy having d/s
fun to talk bout skye, although a lot of the people from the poly
dinners were also at these parties and would give me a hug now and
then and say they were happy for me.
> Re: yip
> kaleon
> 2004-09-12 11:27
> I always loved people who were too cowardly to leave their real
names
> and hide behind words such as anonymous. Also funny, because I left
> her, not the other way around. And yeah, there are three sides to
> every story, and usually all three of them have some truth to them.
> Hope you have fun being the coward that you are and always have
been.
> I, on the other hand, am finally happy and do not have to feel like
a
> worthless piece of trash like i did for two years. If you are one
of
> her men, I wish you well and hope you two are happy, I have nothing
> against you. If you are her other man, then enjoy the wire birdcage
> she puts you in and the whips you recieve, have fun with that.
=======
he added these:
Re: yip part 1
kaleon
2004-09-21 17:09 (link)
Actually, I would like to clear the air about this post, since I
think I owe it to the people who read this and know me.
***
Your last girlfriend put up with your shit, contrary to all the
advice the rest of us gave her, for nearly seven years.
Contrary to the advice the rest of us gave her, she took you back
after you lied to her, cheated on her, and were physically violent
toward her.
***
We put up with mutual shit, and I never lied to her until she lost
all respect I had for her over the course of a visit in October about
4 years back and I realized that she had been lying to me off and on
for our entire relationship. It is helpful to see how someone lies to
one person they are in a relationship with and then see that same
behavior being directed at you so that you know what is really
happening.
A word on the cheating, I felt bad about that for a very long time
until I really sat down and thought about it. I had been lied to
repeatedly for a couple years about what was actually going on and
that, to me, is as bad as physically cheating. Also, I was given
permission to persue the relationship I was interested in and even
*pushed* to do just that. When I did, however, Skye didn't like it,
just as she is hypocritical about sineater having relationship outside of
her. She is just fine with it as long as it gives her the chance to
sleep with anyone she wants, but heaven forbid anyone else does.
The physical abuse. I have never laid a hand on skye, not once in 7
years, not even after she physically hit me, threw things at me, drew
a knife on me and brandished her whip (which she loves to use on her
husband before locking him nude in a bird cage for not doing what she
wants). The only time I have even hinted at violence was when I threw
a glass vase at the wall behind her because I fed up with her public
displays. This is a woman that does not like to fight in private,
only public and will run out into the hall of a dorm, or outside an
apartment and start bawling and crying to try and get attention and
pity for herself. The other time was when I raised my hand to defend
myself after she had already hit me once nad I told her not to do it
again or i'd returnt eh favor.
****
Contrary to the advice the rest of us gave her, she took you back a
second time, after you left her again, for no reason that makes sense
to any of the rest of us.
****
This reason that doesn't make sense to the rest of them involves
lying and putting me at medical risk. It involves repeated denial and
lying and then going behind my back and not even having the courage
to admit it later (even I admitted my own trespass on that later).
She made it quite clear that she wanted me gone and I gladly left. It
wasn't until she started gilt-tripping me and lying about what her
sister-in-law was saying that I took her back, after she begged me
too. It was a mistake and I knew it then, all she wanted was a
possession to dangle on a string and go to when her other two men got
tired of her bullshit. Yet I was lonley and horney and so went back
to hell.
****
The rest of us all watched her drive a few hundred miles every month
to visit you in college. But now that your here, you can't manage a
mere hour's drive to her ranch every once in a while, leaving the
burden of travel completely on her shoulders.
****
I never minded the drive and if I knew I wasn't going to be
completely ignored when I got there I was always happy to drive it if
I had time to get back to work the next day. The problem was that
that was the *only* way she would see me, and then I had to share her
time with the otehr two men, even so far as share her bed with one of
them if I wanted to stay the night. She would invite me over, then
start a fight on hostile ground for me and not let me leave to go
home unless I wanted "abandon her like her first husband" (whom I now
think had the right idea).
cont.
(Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)
Re: yip part 2
kaleon
2004-09-21 17:11 (link)
cont.
****
Devoted? She was more damn devoted to you for seven years than you
deserved. All take and no give? ROFL
****
Devotion I define as giving equal time to, treating with respect, not
ignoring, and not making excuses. Devoted is also not continuously
draggin me into fights with her and sineater and forcing me to take her
side or have congucal rights revoked, watching her beat her husband
while he was nude for making an honest mistak that she herself makes
all the time. I don't care about the multiple relationships, although
everyone in the poly community here in austin that knows her seems to
think she gives polyamory a bad name since she doesn't know the
meaning of the word "equal attention" or treating each with respect.
*****
According to her, she left you this time because you were
unrelentingly and aggressively hostile to her every time she didn't
cowtow to your childish demands. In case you missed what the rest of
us all saw, she was in a NECK BRACE for more than six months, and her
neck will never completely heal. At night she's practically immobile
and incapacitated, and cries herself to sleep because she hurts so
bad.
The account she gave the rest of us about the final straw went
something like this. You woke her up one night by touching her in a
sexual way. In your hostility at her refusal, you apparently didn't
even hear her trying to explain to you that the only time she feels
well enough for any physically stressing activity is first thing in
the morning, after a good night's sleep. She tried to tell you that
she took the next day off work, just so she could satisfy your sexual
needs. That apparently wasn't good enough, and so she left.
****
Ahh, this story. Well, a bit of clarification. She wasn't wearing a
neck brace yet, and had even repeatedly refused to go to the doctor
to have her neck looked at. (not to mention the fact that evne after
she was told to wear it she didn't do it like she was supposed and
prolly did permanent damage to herself) She was complaining of a
headache that night I grant, but then she has complained of headaches
so often over the last seven years that I can't remember her ever not
having a "migraine" as she calls them (I wish for once she would have
a headache like my dad, my brother or I have and see how she handled
them, her ehadaches are such a call for attention, either that or she
has the least tolerance for pain that I have ever seen). I did touch
her in a sexual way, she was nude beside me and I woke up hormonal
and half asleep I rolled over and carressed her, when I woke up
enough to realize what I was doing I stopped of my own accord, but
that wasn't good enough for her. Instead of asking me nicely to stop
she attacked me for doing it and made me feel like an interloper in
*my own bed* and I told her so, which turned her attacks into yelling
and she stormed around the apartment screaming and threatening to
leave until I told her "bye, have a nice drive home, I don't need
this shit." She then left, but only as far as outside on the steps to
start bawling and trying to draw me out like she always had before.
It didn't work this time and she finaly got tired of it and cursed (I
was watchign through the peephole) and left, obviously not nearly as
upset as she was pretending to be. She called a few days later and
tried to get an apology out of me which I replied to her that I had
nothing to apologize for and that I felt that this relationship had
no where to go and hung up on her. Sounds to me like I was the one to
end it, but then it was prolly that way on both sides.
conc.
(Reply to this)(Parent) (Thread)
Re: yip part 2
kaleon
2004-09-21 17:12 (link)
concluded
***
Anyone who knows her knows that she is generous to a fault with
everything she has to give. Some of us originally hated her ever
lovin guts and hurt her very badly in the past, more than once, but
she always forgives, and then keeps right on giving.
****
Generous to a fault so long as she gets something out of it, either
acclaim or pity, yes. Selflessly generous? not hardly, even she
admits that she is a utterly selfish creature, and that's all there
is to say about this comment. Oh, and she never forgives, forgiving
means you move on, she has *never* moved on from any slight that has
ever been done to her.
*****
There's always three sides to every story, his, hers, and the truth
somewhere in between. And yours has been heard over and over, in our
homes, at our parties and at poly dinners and every other social
gathering. And then there's what we've seen with our own eyes.
*****
Actually I never talked about mine anywhere except to three people,
Skye's sister-in-law, a girl online, and my sister Dana. I defended
her to everyone at the only two poly dinners I went to, because they
kept calling her names and telling me that they were happy I was
finally free of her (even so far as hugging a completel stranger
because they knew how skye was). Not sure who's homes are being
discussed here, since I was never at anyone's home except the
aforementioned sister-in-law, and the only party I was at I was too
busy having fun to talk about skye. The only other social gatherings
I went to were GWNN parties and once again, I was too busy having d/s
fun to talk bout skye, although a lot of the people from the poly
dinners were also at these parties and would give me a hug now and
then and say they were happy for me.
