Oct. 25th, 2021

evile: (mask)
 I’m sorry, but you are starting from a false premise
 . “When narcissists find out they are narcissists,” is not a thing that actually happens. It is extremely rare for a person with NPD to seek professional help for their own issues, and even rarer for the NPD to work with a professional to try and heal themselves. It really just doesn’t happen.

 

Now, a friend, family member, spouse, or partner may approach a person with NPD and say “You are a narcissist. You check off every single box in the DSM:

 

a person with NPD possesses at least five of the following nine criteria, typically without possessing the commensurate personal qualities or accomplishments for which they demand respect and status:

  • A grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g. exaggerating achievements and talents, expecting to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
  • Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
  • Believing that they are "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
  • Requiring excessive admiration
  • A sense of entitlement (unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with their expectations)
  • Being interpersonally exploitative (taking advantage of others to achieve their own ends)
  • Lacking empathy: unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
  • Often being envious of others or believing that others are envious of them
  • Showing arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

First of all: if you are NOT a licensed professional, and the person is NOT your patient, you don’t have any standing to make a diagnosis.

Second: if you recognize this person as toxic and confront them with their behavior and show that it matches a checklist of NPD traits, you have just handed the toxic person a loaded weapon and they will use it to destroy you.

The core emotion of NPD/abusers is rage and shame. They know they are defective. They know that there is something missing. They hate and envy people they see as having what they don’t have. They do not have the emotional maturity or the ability to self-reflect, so as soon as their inner shame is triggered—by someone telling them that they are personality-disordered, for example—they will immediately go into denial, rage, and attack mode.

“No! YOU are the narcissist, YOU are the abuser, YOU are the one who has done these things to ME!” the NPD/abuser will scream.

And then the NPD abuser will tell anyone and everyone as many terrible things about you as they can think of (most or all of which are projections—ie: they did these things to you or someone else, but they will accuse you of doing them first and worse to make you look like the bad one)

Confronting a narcissist with the truth is a dangerous and unnecessary thing to do. It will not help or heal them, it will not improve your relationship with them, and it may cause them to decide that you are The Enemy who must be utterly destroyed. And, just because their emotions are shallow and childish, does not mean their intellects are defective. Many NPDs are very intelligent and quite successful in their own way, and they can provide a very convincing story about what you did to them, that will alienate you from friends, family, social groups, and possibly even lose your job or professional credentials if the NPD takes it far enough.

Just don’t do it. It is not worth it.

Footnotes

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evile: (mask)
Will a narcissists be depressed if he is sentenced to 3 yrs in jail? Will he have a narcissistic collapse? If I am not giving him any supply? I'm sure he has others he can call for supply but how much can he really get while incarcerated?




It really depends on the narcissist and what gives them supply. Just like any other human being, some will do alright with a very strict and structured environment such as jail offers, and some become depressed and miserable. He may learn to cope with the long hours of inactivity, he may take up reading or crafting or earn himself a law degree. It really depends on the person and how functional they were in the real world.

It also depends on the incarceration facility. If the narc is in a facility that houses violent gang members, he may not do so well, unless he is willing to join a gang and participate in the violence. If he gets put in a facility that has more harmless offenders, or younger people, he may end up finding a whole new bunch of flying monkeys, best friends, and admirers.

Like any traumatic experience, jail can provide an opportunity to learn and grow, or it can break a person down. There are so many variables.

If you are in a relationship with this person, enjoy the 3 years of peace and quiet to get your own life together, join a support group or see a therapist, and free your mind and heart from this individual.  


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evile: (deadmoon)
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/tech-support/201703/daughters-unloving-mothers-mourning-the-mom-you-deserved 

This is such a complicated thing....my mom didn't have the mom she deserved. Her mom probably didn't have the mom she deserved, either. My father for damn sure didn't have the mom he deserved. How far back do we need to go before we can stop blaming? Before it becomes absurd?

Going from personal to universal, looking out at society, you have all of these impossible demands & expectations of motherhood. Moms are supposed to be such perfect saints. Always patient, always loving, always kind, always THERE.  You breastfeed you baby for too long or not long enough-you're a terrible mother. You bottle feed = your'e a terrible mother. You let your kids eat dirt and play outside=you're a terrible mother. You don't let your kids play outside=you're a terrible mother. Your kids cry in public=you're a terrible mother. Your kids are tidy, polite, and quiet =you must be abusing them in private to make them act so cowed, you're a terrible mother. Your kids are too loud, too smart, too quiet, too emotional, too outspoken, too tall, too short, too fat, too thin = you're a terrible mother. Hug them too much, you're hovering and spoiling them, turning them into mama's boys/girls, you're a terrible mother. Ignore them when they fuss, you're a terrible mother. Send them to public schoo, you're a terrible mother. Send them to private school, you're a terrible mother. Send them to daycare while you work, you're a terrible mother. Stay at home to raise them, you're just a lazy whore who wants to sit on the couch and watch TV on your husband's dime & post on social media about how hard it is being a mom= also a terrible mother.  And,  you would think this shit comes from men against women but no, it is women saying this shit about other women. Mommy blogs are full of vicious, venomous bile against other moms who aren't doing it 'right'.  It seems like moms have no way to ever, ever, EVER be 'good'....(one of the thousands of reasons I never had kids)


Honestly, I think what people need is a female God, not some impossibly perfect mother who is never, ever going to be able to live up to the arbitrary & contrary demands of society.  And, maybe, on some level, the reason humanity turned to a male god is because of that original infant-wound, that fist time we woke up hungry, dirty, wet, and there wasn't an umbilical cord from Mother, bringing us everything we needed and taking away all our filth.  Mommy is bad, she doesn't love us, maybe Daddy will. If we are good enough. 

It's exhausting and frustrating. I really would like to think (hope) that as soon as we're old enough to realize our parents fucked us up (even if they were doing their best), we are old enough to get to healing and forgiving and growing the fuck up.

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