Dec. 10th, 2004

evile: (clutter)

    Dec. 10, 2004

     

     

    onyxlynxx is so diplomatic.
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    skye_ds (skye_ds) wrote,
    @ 2004-12-09 12:07:00
    Current mood: grateful

    Love

    I have been thinking a lot lately: about who I am, about who I want
    to be, about my many blessings, about the many people I love and who
    love me, and about the many people who do not seem to hold me in high
    regard for whatever reason (hate me, dislike me, whatever). So below
    are deliberate choices of mine from now on.

    * "Your reputation is in the hands of others. That's what a
    reputation is. You can't control that. The only thing you can control
    is your character." ~ Dr. Wayne Dyer

    Some of my reputation is deserved because I have truly behaved badly
    many times in the past. Some of my reputation is not deserved. I
    will not worry anymore about my reputation. One of my biggest
    weaknesses/vulnerabilities is that I allow others' ill-will toward me
    to hurt and wound me deeply to the quick. I will control my
    character, because it is mine to control. I freely admit to having
    behaved badly in the past, but I will not intentionally behave badly
    from now on. I will take responsibility for my actions.

    * "Growing Old is mandatory, Growing Up is Optional, and a Happy
    Childhood can be had at any time." ~ Anonymous

    I choose not to Grow Up, and I choose to have my Happy Childhood from
    right now up until I die. To be completely honest, while there were
    many miseries in my childhood, there were many good times and
    blessings, too. From now on, I choose to deliberately remember the
    good times and blessings, and I choose deliberately to let go of the
    miseries and forgive the sources of those miseries. Just because I
    was miserable many decades ago, is no reason to deliberately choose
    to remain miserable now. I have no time for being miserable, all of
    my time is taken up with my many blessings and pursuing love, life
    and harmony.

    * http://www.xeromag.com/fvpoly.html - But if you love someone, you
    shouldn't want anyone else. That's a common idea, but it doesn't
    really hold up in practice. Many people believe that a person who
    has multiple loves can't give their "whole heart" to any person. The
    belief goes that if you love one person, you can express your love
    wholeheartedly, but if you love multiple people, your love is divided
    up and is therefore not as deep. This is based on the "starvation
    model" of love--that is, you only have a limited amount of love, and
    if you give your love to one person, there is none left to give to
    anyone else--so if you fall in love with another person, you have
    to "pay" for it by withdrawing your love from the first person. Love
    is not the same thing as money. With money, you have only a limited
    amount to spend, and when you give it to one person you have less
    left to give to another. But love behaves in wonderful and
    unpredictable and counterintuitive ways. When you love more than one
    person, you soon realize that the more love you give away, the more
    love you have to give. Yes, you CAN give your whole heart to more
    than one person, and when you do, you realize it's the most beautiful
    feeling in all the world. Don't think of the contents of your heart
    the way you think of the contents of your wallet; it doesn't work
    like that. Anyway, as I was saying, in a poly relationship, it is
    vital--perhaps even more vital than in a monogamous relationship--for
    everyone involved to know and understand the rules of the
    relationship, and abide by them. A successful poly relationship
    absolutely requires trust and security from everyone involved. If you
    cannot abide by the relationship's rules, you cannot expect to make a
    polyamorous relationship work.

    Don't look to your relationships to offer you validation
    It seems to me as though our society often looks to relationships to
    define a person's worth. People who are single are sometimes seen as
    being less valid as human beings than people who are married, and so
    on.

    If you look to your relationship to tell you who you are, or to
    define your worth, then your sense of self will always be tied up in
    the form of your relationship.

    You have power over your life. Your worth depends on you, not on your
    partner and not on your relationship. You have an identity which
    exists independent of your relationship, and your relationship does
    not describe your value. These ideas empower you to seek happiness on
    your terms, but more important than that, they give you resiliency
    that can help you over the inevitable rough patches that any
    relationship is likely to face.

    Value and worth that come from within you rather than from things
    outside yourself, such as your partner or your relationship, can
    never be taken away from you. There is a differnce between a person
    who wants to be in a relationship and a person who needs to be in
    that relationship. Quite frankly, I'd rather be involved with a
    person who wants to be with me than a person who needs to be with me;
    the people who want to be with me are there because of the value I
    add to their lives, not because they have no other choice!
    If your sense of value comes from yourself, it frees you from
    dependence on the people around you. If your partner's sense of value
    comes from within himself, it frees you from the responsibility of
    telling your partner who he is.


    There are many whom I have loved in the past that seemingly hate me
    and/or bear me ill will. There are many to whom I have tried to be a
    good friend that seemingly dislike me and/or bear me ill will. I
    observe that these people are unhappy. They seem to be unhappy
    because they define their happiness by their relationships with
    others. From now on, I deliberately choose not to return their ill-
    will. I wish for them the true happiness that is only to be found
    from within oneself, not to be found from outside relationships. In
    Her Charge, Aradia said that if you do not find what you seek within
    yourself, you won't find it outside yourself.

    * 1 Corinthians 13 - Love is long suffering, love is kind, it is not
    jealous, love does not boast, it is not inflated. It is not
    discourteous, it is not selfish, it is not irritable, it does not
    enumerate the evil. It does not rejoice over the wrong, but rejoices
    in the truth. It covers all things, it has faith for all things, it
    hopes in all things, it endures in all things. Love never falls in
    ruins; but whether prophecies, they will be abolished; or tongues,
    they will cease; or knowledge, it will be superseded. For we know in
    part and we prophecy in part. But when the perfect comes, the
    imperfect will be superseded. When I was an infant, I spoke as an
    infant, I reckoned as an infant; when I became [an adult], I
    abolished the things of the infant. For now we see through a mirror
    in an enigma, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I
    shall know as also I was fully known. But now remains faith, hope,
    love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.


    * http://www.polyfamilies.com/misanthrope20040911.html

    Love is patient.
    Patience isn't just the ability to wait without fidgeting. Can you
    hold your tongue and listen fully when discussing something with a
    loved one? More to the point, do you? If you want an issue resolved
    right now can you still bring yourself to wait and give a loved one
    time to think? Do not confuse patience with putting things off,
    though. They're not the same thing. Avoidance isn't patience.

    Love is kind
    Kindness is one of those odd things. It's not quite just
    being "nice", though that can be and usually is a component.
    Kindness has to do with genuinely having the welfare of the other (or
    self if you're discussing love of self) at heart. Here's where the
    issue comes in, though. You're not wise enough to make choices for
    other adults. No, you're not special here. I know you wanna help,
    but that kind of nonsense ain't kind, so if the goal is being loving,
    don't be doing it.

    Love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude
    Kinda hard to be loving when you're wanting something the other
    person is/has, are bragging, or being caught up in your own ego.
    That's really the essence of it. Don't be so damned ego driven if
    being loving is your goal.

    It does not insist on its own way
    If you're into Me! Me! Me! exclusively, you're not being loving.
    Loving yourself does mean taking care of yourself, but balance
    here. Balance is important.

    It is not irritable or resentful
    Are you holding on to past pains, shortcomings or things like that?
    Not loving. This means purging resentments - the ones held against
    yourself included. Remember what I said, you cannot be honest to
    goodness loving to someone else until you are doing the same with
    yourself. In fact, it makes it easier. Trust me on this one.

    It does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth
    "Yeah, she got what was coming to her..." Not a loving
    thought. "Hey, she learned from that. Cool!" Loving thought...
    It's a pretty simple concept. Rejoicing in the truth means that
    you're not going to want to pretend that things are other than they
    are, either. You're going to want the honest facts, rather than
    fool yourself. This can be hard, if you want to ignore things that
    you don't like.

    It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures
    all things
    This boils down to one essential concept - forgiveness. If you're
    dedicated to being loving, you're dedicated to forgiving. You're
    dedicated to forgiving yourself and everyone around you for being
    flawed and human. This is not an easy thing to do. Worth it, but
    not easy.

    Enough said.

    * One of the Covenants of Aradia - Strive to be compassionate to
    others, and to be aware of the hearts and minds of those around you.

    In the past on many occasions, I have not done this as I ought. I
    deliberately choose to do better from now on.

    * One of the Tenets - We believe in love, life and harmony as the
    spiritual foundation of our Ways.

    Enough said.

    * Words of Aradia - Concerning Love - Love is the gift of the
    Spirit's blessings. It is the emanation of Spirit within. Love is the
    Great Attainment. Receive love when it is offered, and offer love
    regardless. Yet do not allow the duality of love to cause you
    despair. For love can lift up your heart and it can likewise drag it
    down. Accept love in the manner in which it comes to you. Do not
    possess it, or attempt to control it or shape it. For love is free,
    and shall come or go in its manner.

    * Excerpt from Concerning Marriage - ...Understand that even though
    you are bound together, let this not be as captives. There shall
    always be others with who each of you may desire to share a
    closeness, either physical or spiritual. This is as it should be. Let
    your love desire fullness of life for each other and also pleasure
    for each other. Honor each other with openness and honesty...

    I have learned these truths through many hard, painful experiences.
    This relates back to "But if you love someone, you shouldn't want
    anyone else" and "Don't look to your relationships to offer you
    validation" from above. Any parent with more than one child and/or
    more than one pet knows that love is not a zero sum game. We love
    all our children/pets differently but equally. Your lovers and loved
    ones are not responsible for your happiness. Owning your lover will
    not make you happy, either.

    *Anonymous:
    1. I love you not because of who you are, but because of who I am
    when I am with you.
    2. No man or woman is worth your tears, and the one who is, won't
    make you cry.
    3. Just because someone doesn't love you the way you want them to,
    doesn't mean they don't love you with all they have.
    4. A true friend is someone who reaches for your hand and touches
    your heart.
    5. The worst way to miss someone is to be sitting right beside them
    knowing you can't have them.
    6. Never frown, even when you are sad, because you never know who is
    falling in love with your smile.
    7. To the world you may be one person, but to one person you may be
    the world.
    8. Don't waste your time on a man/woman, who isn't willing to waste
    their time on you.
    9. Maybe God wants us to meet a few wrong people before meeting the
    right one, so that when we finally meet the person, we will know how
    to be grateful.
    10. Don't cry because it is over, smile because it happened.
    11. There's always going to be people that hurt you so what you have
    to do is keep on trusting and just be more careful about who you
    trust next time around.
    12. Make yourself a better person and know who you are before you try
    and know someone else and expect them to know you.
    13. Don't try so hard, the best things come when you least expect
    them to.

    REMEMBER: WHATEVER HAPPENS, HAPPENS FOR A REASON.


    Amen!

    * Don Miguel Ruiz, Excerpt from Four Agreements -

    1. Be Impeccable With Your Word
    Speak with integrity. Say only what you mean. Avoid using the word to
    speak against yourself or to gossip about others. Use the power of
    your word in the direction of truth and love.

    I haven't been good about this in the past. I deliberately choose to
    do this to the best of my ability from now on.

    2. Don't Take Anything Personally
    Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a
    projection of their own reality, their own dream. When you are immune
    to the opinions and actions of others, you won't be the victim of
    needless suffering.

    This relates back to taking control of my character because I can't
    control my reputation. It also relates back to striving to be
    compassionate to everyone around me. It also relates to the 8Fold
    Path of Buddha below, and also to the Power of Intention below. From
    now on, I choose to do no deliberate harm. And because I do no
    deliberate harm, I will not take responsibility for others projecting
    their realities and dreams (of some imagined harm I have caused) upon
    me.

    * Excerpt from 8Fold Path of Buddha -

    Right Thought
    Reality grows in the garden of the mind. Our world is the fruit of
    our thoughts that sprout from the seeds of ideas. We must therefore
    be discerning gardeners, looking carefully at what ideas we allow to
    take root within the mind. We must be able to recognize which ideas
    and thoughts are born of desire and which carry the seeds of desire
    that causes our suffering.
    The seeds of suffering that take root within the mind are those of
    greed, ill-will, hostility, denigration, dominance, envy, jealousy,
    hypocrisy, fraud, obstinacy, presumption, conceit, arrogance, vanity
    and negligence. In Buddhism, these are known as the 15 defilements,
    and the Buddha realized 6 methods for removing such defilements from
    the mind:

    1. Restraining:
    Restrain from what pleases the senses but bears poison.
    2. Using:
    Use all that we are, all that we have, all there is to cultivate
    peace.
    3. Tolerating:
    Tolerate all adversity, and never abandon our gardens to the wild.
    4. Avoiding:
    Avoid all that is impure and spoils the soil of the mind. Tend only
    to what is pure and that which nurtures the pure.
    5. Destroying:
    Remove the defilements by destroying them from the root.
    6. Developing:
    Never cease to develop our skills of peacefulness.

    Right Speech
    We are often judged by our words. Long after we leave this world, our
    words shall remain. Words can often be sharper than the blade of the
    sword, bringing harm to the spirit of a person which can cause wounds
    that are deeper and last longer than that of a dagger. Therefore, we
    must choose our words carefully. The Buddha realized 4 methods of
    speech that bring peace to our lives and the lives of those who
    surround us.
    1. Words of Honesty:
    Speaking without truth can be a means to our end and to the end of
    others. Therefore, honesty is always the best policy.
    2. Words of Kindness:
    Speaking words of kindness, we will never be the cause that divides
    hearts or puts brother against brother. We become peacemakers. Our
    words are cherished and valued and shall bring peacefulness to
    ourselves and to those surrounding us.
    3. Words that are Nurturing:
    Words that comfort rather than harm the heart, shall travel to the
    heart, and bring long lasting peace.
    4. Words that are Worthy:
    Speaking only what is worthy and valuable for the moment, our words
    will always be found sweet to the ears of others and shall always be
    considered in a peaceful manner. Words of gossip, untruth, and
    selfishness do not return to us with peace. The worth of our words is
    measured by how much they improve the silence.

    Amen! I haven't been good about this in the past. I will do better
    in the future.


    * Dr. Wayne Dyer, Excerpt from Power of Intention -
    Connectors are aware of the need to avoid low energy. They'll quietly
    retreat from loud, bellicose, opinionated people, sending them a
    silent blessing and unobtrusively moving along. They don't spend time
    watching violent TV shows or reading accounts of atrocities and war
    statistics. They might appear docile or uninteresting to people who
    wallow in the horrors being discussed and broadcast. Since connectors
    have no need to win, to be right, or to dominate others, their power
    is the fact that they uplift others with their presence. They
    communicate their views by being in harmony with the creative energy
    of the Source. They're never offended, because their ego isn't
    involved in their opinions.
    Connectors live their lives matched up vibrationally to the field of
    intention. To them, everything is energy. They know that being
    hostile, hateful, or even angry toward people who believe in and
    support low-energy activities, which involve violence in any form,
    will only contribute to that kind of debilitating activity in the
    world.
    ...If you could observe their inner world, you'd discover that
    they're hurt by pain inflicted on others. They don't have the concept
    of enemies, since they know that all of us emanate from the same
    divine Source. They enjoy the differences in the appearance and
    customs of others rather than disliking, criticizing, or feeling
    threatened by them. Their connection to others is of a spiritual
    nature, but they don't separate themselves spiritually from anyone
    regardless of where they might live or how different their
    appearances or customs may be from their own...


    I have a reputation for being loud, bellicose and opinionated that I
    have justly earned from past behavior. I can keep my beloved
    opinions, while divorcing them from my ego. I deliberately choose
    not to be loud nor bellicose from now on. As the Covenant of Aradia
    states, "Be true to your own understanding and turn away from those
    things which oppose the good in you or are harmful to you." I will
    not consider those who bear me ill-will and who have hurt me to be my
    enemies. It is not my fault that they are unhappy. While they might
    not ever believe this, it hurts me to see them in pain. I will wish
    them love, life, happiness and every blessing, and I will retreat
    quietly from them so that they do not drag me down. "Misery loves
    company." This relates back to "Don't Take Anything Personally"
    above. I deliberately choose not to waste my spark of the divine
    fire being hostile, hateful, or angry towards those behave that way
    toward me. I deliberately choose not to waste my spark of the divine
    fire by disliking, criticizing, or feeling threatened by those who
    dislike, criticize or feel threatened by me. In the past, my desire
    to communicate has included the drives to win, to be right and to
    dominate. From now on, I deliberately choose to communicate, without
    doing those things.

    That's all for now. Blessings Light and Dark

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    onyxlynxx
    2004-12-09 20:46
    Wow.... Deep thoughts.... Thanks for sharing them.

    I admire your Will to define who you are. Changing ourselves is the
    most powerful magic of all. This sounds like a really good beginning.

    May you become the person you choose to be.

    skye_ds
    2004-12-09 22:57
    *hugs* :)

    Thankee so much for your kind words. They are even more meaningful
    coming from one who has proven mastery over self-change. I treasure
    your respect and regard.

    May you continue in your becoming, too :)

    Blessings Light and Dark

evile: (clutter)

    Dec. 10, 2004

     

     

    (can't write about it in my lj due to offensive antisprog sentiment)


    I love my friend K (onyxlynxx) "May you become the person you
    choose to be"....so very tactful. Much better than "Good luck with
    that personality transplant" which is what *I* thought when I read
    all that.

    I went to dinner with the polys last night, and it was not the best
    gathering. Mostly people I don't find very interesting, and 1 couple
    brought their 2 year old and persisted in that really annoying
    parenting style of "Now, bratley, what have we discussed? We know
    that poking mommy with chopsticks is fun, but it's not nice, so
    please stop now, okay?" And then when Daddy finally grew some and put
    baby in the high chair and strapped it down and put it next to Mommy
    for a while, Mommy batted her eyes at Daddy about 5 minutes later and
    said "Oh, Daddy, he's being SO GOOD, can't he please be let out of
    his chair now?" Daddy said no, and a few minutes later the fuckfruit
    was screeching like a rhesus monkey on crack. Mommy said
    "Aww! Look at that little sad face! He's just so cute!" and so on and
    so forth while the thing went on with its air-raid siren imitation.
    It was not charming in the least. I don't think the father, who sat
    next to me and seems like a smart, nice guy, got a full sentence out
    of his mouth even once during the evening,and since I'm childfree and
    not immune to shrieking like most childed folks, I couldn't keep my
    train of thought long enough to have any decent conversation either.
    Niki, Nolan, and I left early, went to Albersons for pints of ice
    cream, and went to Niki's new place and talked trash about everyone,
    so the evening wasn't a total waste. Just mostly.

    Ugh.

     

evile: (clutter)

    Dec. 10, 2004

     

     

    http://www.psychotherapy.com.au/august00/featart1.html
    http://www.n-courage.net/types.htm



    The descriptions of various types of Narcissism below are adapted
    from an article by Bruce Stevens,
    'Narcissism: A Nine Headed Hydra? Exploring Types of Narcissism'
    that was presented at the 'A Chorus of Voices Conference' in
    Melbourne, Australia in 1999.


    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    ----------
    The Craver

    The Craver has plenty of love to give but it is always given with
    strings attached; i.e. I'll give you 'x' but there is a, usually non-
    verbal, message demanding that you give something back in return. As
    with all people with Narcissistic Personalities the Craver has a
    great fear of abandonment and clings to those (s)he relates with and
    his/her needs can never be satisfied.

    Special Lover

    The Special Lover is a romantic at heart and idealizes his/her
    capacity for loving. He/she believes that love can cure all ills. As
    with all idealization eventually it breaks down and there is deep
    disappointment. The internal world of the Special Lover is
    especially vulnerable and sensitive to slights, real or imagined.
    There is also a high level of intolerance to imperfections in the
    partner.


    Martyr

    Suffering is glorified by the martyr,
    (s)he is a victim and tells the world about it unceasingly. Personal
    identity is the pain which is never in the past but always in the
    present. These people want care and support and will exploit others
    in order to get this. Grandiosity is bound up with this position: no-
    one else has ever suffered as I suffer and relationships are formed
    with someone else who needs to be needed and is exploited to provide
    narcissistic supplies. This is a covert way of controlling other
    people.

    Fantasy Maker

    The Fantasy Maker has retreated into a world of his/her own creation
    that has a greater or lesser correlation with the real world. The
    internal world of fantasy is a defence against the pain and anguish
    of reality and is avoided at all costs because it is cold and harsh.
    These people rarely take responsibility for themselves so are unable
    to form a therapeutic relationship. Also, they have a very loose
    relationship with
    the truth distorting it to suit themselves
    whenever they are threatened. Lies may be difficult to detect.


    Body Shaper

    Image, fashion, glamour, youth and beauty characterise the body
    shaper and these attributes must be admired. This kind of beauty is
    only 'skin deep' and the ageing process is often denied. The internal
    world is usually empty and bleak, their relationships are often
    shallow, and they can be very demanding of others.

    Power Broker

    Power is the goal for the Broker... he is in love with it. He
    bullies, humiliates and terrorizes his victims and is arrogant, cold
    and bureaucratic. He is contemptuous to inferiors and he lives
    without considering the consequences of his acts to other people. He
    is out to get what he wants when he wants it by any means.


    Rager

    A barely controlled rage lies below the surface of this Narcissistic
    structure and lashes out when the narcissism is dented. Explosive
    rage can be irrational and it is often accompanied by violence. This
    type can be very controlling and abusive in relationships when (s)he
    cannot get his/her own way. It would not be an exaggeration to say
    that 'All hell breaks loose' and the word 'tantrum' is appropriate.

    Trickster

    The Trickster is a charmer and is at ease in a wide range of social
    situations. He is smooth, engaging and inviting. He invites people
    to trust him but underneath the seemingly innocuous facade is
    the 'con-artist' who seeks out those who are naive and trusting and
    is ruthless in relationships. He has a malicious intent and a right
    of entitlement: the ends justify the means and he is incapable of
    remorse.

    The Rescuer

    This is the virtuous one who takes the 'high moral ground' in
    relationships. Their presentation to the world is that of virtuousity
    and these people appear to be kind and considerate. They try too hard
    in relationships and may be a result of being a parentified child in
    a dysfunctional family. He/she finds it easier to give than to
    receive.

evile: (clutter)

    Dec. 10, 2004

     

     

    evile: hey! TGIF!
    SkyeDS: amen sister :)
    evile: Sweetie didn't want to go to Marfa, so I'm going to use the
    weekend to run errands, get winter cards done, etc.
    SkyeDS: going to be gorgeous, whatever you do
    evile: If the humidity stays down, I can make L's favorite cookies.
    SkyeDS: they say the humidity here prevents the making of divinity
    evile: You just have to do it on a cool or non-humid day. It can be
    done.
    evile: Hotmail worked,BTW. Thanks for sending that.
    SkyeDS: oh good
    SkyeDS: I unprivated it in my journal too
    SkyeDS: and lj-cut it with a warning
    evile: *nod*
    evile: I saw your long post 12/9
    evile: Nice comment from onyxlynxx. She is really a good person.
    SkyeDS: nodnodnods
    SkyeDS: I am not defining myself by what other people think, but I
    still feel better when someone I respect pats me on the head.
    evile: *nod* thats pretty much human nature. It's just harder
    to 'consider the source' when nasty people say nasty things, for
    whatever reasons.
    SkyeDS: ya well.
    SkyeDS: I'm just not going to give anyone reason to say anything
    nasty. That way I can ignore it successfully if they do anyway.
    SkyeDS: it's going to be hard, but I can do it.
    evile: sounds like a plan :)
    SkyeDS: what's funny is, if any of the people I was thinking about
    when I posted yesterday reads it (unlikely), they'll all think it was
    All About Just Them
    SkyeDS: instead of a number of people and a number of situations
    evile: *nod* of course
    evile: Polydinner last night kinda sucked. Someone brought a kid,
    which then screeched, cried, and ran around the whole evening.
    evile: I think I set a personal record for shortest time ever spent
    at polydinner.
    SkyeDS: screeching kid was big interruption at the last shire meeting
    SkyeDS: was important meeting too. we are absorbing another shire.
    SkyeDS: some of them don't like it.
    evile: that sucks.
    evile: If it had been people at another table, I would have done
    the "Death Glare" at the parents, and/or made comments intended for
    them to overhear...but I had no idea how to deal with it at my own
    table with friends sitting right next to me.
    evile: And these people were doing my least-favorite parenting style:
    speaking to the 2 year old as if it could a) understand and b) reason
    logically
    SkyeDS: nodnod. this child belonged to someone I'm friendly to.
    evile: "Now, honey, we all appreciate your kindness, but mommy does
    not want you stuffing a food-laden chopstick up her nose. Put the
    chopstick down, sweetie, please."
    SkyeDS: so I just closed my eyes and ignored as best could.
    evile: *nod* It was excruciating. I just don't have the foggiest idea
    how to suggest that the child be removed, spanked, whatever, without
    causing a major offense
    evile: And the *one* time a parent managed an effective discipline
    (put it in a high chair and bucked the seatbelt to keep it there),
    the other parent undermined the first parent about 2 minutes later by
    saying "look how good he's being, can't we let him out, please,
    daddy?"
    evile: of course, we were just meeting socially, so I guess it would
    have been out of line to suggest that the kid be taken away. But if
    we were having a meeting with an agenda & whatnot, it might have been
    easier to say "look, we need to discuss ABC, can you take the kid
    out?"
    evile: I guess it's just a matter of what you'd rather hear: kid
    screeching, or adults getting pissy because you DARE to criticize
    their darling little fuckfruit &/or their raising thereof.
    evile: As I was getting ready to leave, teh mother invited me to a
    potluck dinner at their house next Friday. I refrained from
    saying "you must be fucking kidding me" and luckily I do have plans
    for that day, already, so....oh, too bad.
    SkyeDS: nods.
    evile: I plan on discussing at the MGM, how to deal if this sort of
    thing happens again at polydinner.
    SkyeDS: maybe ask question on list, if could find nonaggravating way
    to do so
    SkyeDS: no point in calling it nonconfrontational, because the act of
    asking any question at all strictly speaking is confrontational
    SkyeDS: and people so abuse that word, when they really mean
    combative, which isn't the same thing at all
    SkyeDS: one is to your face and one is IN your face
    evile: well, honestly, it doesn't happen often enough to really
    create the kind of fuss it would likely kick up on the yahoo group.
    (300+ people)
    evile: There's a core of maybe 30 regular attendees at polydinner,
    and maybe 5 of them have kids that they bring.
    evile: This is the first time I can recall truly being appalled by a
    poly child's behavior.
    SkyeDS: I expected the pagan children to be badly behaved, but there
    was only one badly behaved one, and that was Seneca/Lyn's (the
    control freak, surprise surprise)
    SkyeDS: who has the gall to tell me I need insurance when they don't
    have insurance (event)
    evile: pretty crazy.
    SkyeDS: speaking of which remember the woman from the chamber who was
    so pissy about the insurance
    SkyeDS: I met the pony ride lady
    SkyeDS: she has a policy
    evile: *nod*
    SkyeDS: she has never shown it to the chamber
    SkyeDS: she does not take out a rider for the chamber for its events
    SkyeDS: so wtf
    evile: huh. That's really odd.
    SkyeDS: isn't it funny/ironic?
    evile: I just gotta wonder what people are thinking?
    SkyeDS: Ms Booker is up for election to the Board of Directors. I
    don't know if she's already on it or not, I'd have to look.
    SkyeDS: She's obviously a Pillar, so I already said what I had to
    say, and I said it straightforwardly and truthfully, without ego
    attached to it, without criticizing for the sake of criticizing
    evile: *nod*
    SkyeDS: and as long as it doesn't happen again all is well and
    forgiven (I'm sorry, but my long memory does not allow forgetting)
    evile: yup.
    SkyeDS: and she's obviously Unhappy to be calling at 7 am and being
    all kinds of nasty.
    evile: probably stressed beyond belief, to be organizing such a thing
    for the first time & worried that something bad would happen.
    evile: but, yeah, why not find precedents or find rules that
    apply,and apply them equally to all, rather than freak out and make
    yourself look stupid?
    SkyeDS: I didn't handle it well
    SkyeDS: I haven't handled a lot of things well in the past
    SkyeDS: I'm going to do differently and better.
    SkyeDS: my reputation may never improve, but I can't help that.
    evile: *nod* that's all anyone can ask or expect of you.
    SkyeDS: Boss just invited me to the State Law Library
    evile: oh, fun. That should be interesting.
    SkyeDS: never been.
    evile: are they having a holiday open house or party or something? Or
    is it a work-thing?
    SkyeDS: work I would presume
    evile: Oh, well, not so fun then.
    SkyeDS: HUGS bbl

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