another one bites the dust.

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 Well,shit. Neil Gaiman is allegedly a rapist creeper. 

I read the Vulture article and it was lurid and disturbing.  A couple of things stood out, that his ex or soon to be ex wife brought home this impoverished, homeless, mentally ill young woman to be her babysitter and told Neil "dont' touch, not for you"    and then later on as they had sex and whatnot, he allegedly said something along the lines of "i wish it was the good old days when Amanda and I could f-- you together,"....so, if true, this could be something that he and she did together with fans or vulnerable people, some kind of narcissistic sex game.  Reeks of 'trafficking' in the same way as Ghislaine Maxwell making friends with young women at the country clubs she visited and then 'introducing' them to Jeffrey Epstein. 

The events seem so....I mean, not 'boring' but so....unimaginative in their vileness. 50 shades of grey, derivative from some of his writing, I dunno.

I don't really know what to think. I mean, this is a superstar fantasy/dark fiction writer who has had young women literally begging him to be his sex slave at public events. At some point, the fame and unreality of this constant stream of young women begging to be 'debased' in fantasy by  you has got to mess up your head and blur lines of consent and ideas of what women want from you... and also he may have had an abusive childhood being raised by high level true believer Scientologists who engaged in physical and psychological torture sessions as part of their 'spiritual practice.

so who the fuck knows. It would not surprise me if he behaved in a selfish and insensitive way sexually. hell, I've met guys who were like that who either didn't understand or didn't care about whether or not I got off...obviously not rapists, consent was there, they were just clueless and uncaring once they got into their own pleasure and if they finished and I didn't, well...that's life, ya know?

*if* these things happened in front of their child, it's gross. super gross. And apparently Palmer's only objection was that the child was in the room on his ipad and *not wearing headphones* while Gaiman had sex with the nanny.....fucking EW. That's appalling.  And allegedly the child started calling the nanny 'slave' and being rude to her, modeling the behavior he saw with his father. That is very gross and nasty.  But honestly I've seen rich kids being nasty to servants before in my life, and it's just because they are wealthy and their upbringing has taught them not to respect 'the help' as human beings. There's a story about Barron Trump throwing a fit on an airplane and treating staff badly, ffs. it's gross but it happens. Rich people do, apparently,suck. Many of them. Maybe not all. 

This is all 'alleged' and coming from...unreliable... source.  I don't know. Gaiman's writing is dark. I don't think you can write such things from a source that is untainted by personal pain or personal experience. What that experience is or was, I don't have any way to know. 

Here's a good summary I read in reddit:

 

Two women. One about an alleged incident in 2005, one about an alleged incident in 2022.

Both accusations were made recently and allegedly occurred during consensual relationships. Both accusations shared a power dynamic imbalance.

The first involved a fan he met at a signing when she was 18 and he was in his early 40s. They entered a consensual relationship two years later. She alleged assault through pressure into having sex when she did not want to on a few occasions throughout the relationship

The second involved his babysitter with whom he shared a bath and made out, within a few hours of meeting her. She is in her early 20s and this occurred during pandemic lockdowns in New Zealand. The allegation is that he inserted his fingers inside her when she did not want it. They continued the relationship for three weeks. At some point a complaint was filed with New Zealand police but there is no known court case or criminal investigation currently impending.

The allegations were revealed via a podcast. The podcast is controversial in that it is run by Boris Johnson's sister and she has been feuding online with Gaiman because of his support for the trans community, which she firmly stands against.

As of now, the only source and record of the allegations comes from the podcast. The podcast also has shaky and limited sources/evidence. This has created controversy online because there is suspicion of political motivation.

Time will show if more women come forward and if their allegations match similar behaviour. Hopefully more information comes out.

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6mo ago
I've practised consensual BDSM from the age of 18, often with considerably older doms, and if these messages read like good BDSM to you, I've got questions. I'm personally going with this was indeed utter shit and the community would run him off.

Whatever is going on with that woman, she's not okay and in a headspace to properly negotiate. I'd personally read this as a trauma bond, might be trauma he inflicted, could be trauma she already brought along and projected on him

Point is, she's trying incredibly hard to engage him and he's kinda vaguely ignoring her. That is shit behaviour on the part of a dom. That is not what you do when you realise your partner is ill-equipped to deal with the dynamic. You talk. You renegotiate. You pull the plug if necessary.

Not once in all these messages is there any negotiation, or debriefing, or actual interest in her well-being. The only time there's anything at all is when he puts her on the phone to his therapist to get her to go on the record about this being consensual after the fact cause he's worried about getting "me-too"'d and he starts that conversation with telling her he wanted to kill himself when he heard of her claims. Nice basis for an adult conversation right there.

That's a whole shitshow in my personal opinion, not safe BDSM. .

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And, ya know, maybe that's why his relationship with her only lasted 3 weeks; he realized that whatever perception he had of what had been negotiated with Palmer and the young woman was not safe, sane, and consensual, and he cut it off. Maybe not as sensitively and kindly as he could have or should have, when he realized that the young woman was not in a good headspace for a BDSM relationship, but it did end relatively quickly, and all the messaging back and forth indicated she was into it, whether that was coerced consent, or informed consent, or whether her vulnerable, mentally ill state would even allow her to give 'safe sane' consent.... I have some conflicting feels bout this. Women and their sexuality and their darker desires are taboo enough, even without issues of mental health and age/power dynamic....is this alleged victim being infantilized and robbed of agency after the fact, or in light of her withdrawing consent, or in light of being rejected by the person she was trying to engage with? I don't think this is going to ever be resolved in the light of public opinion. This is a tough one.

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6mo ago
Unless new evidence has emerged the entire source seems to be this: (https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2024/07/03/exclusive-neil-gaiman-accused-of-sexual-assault/)

Reading the article both women were involved in relationships with Gaiman but allege that during their relationships some of the sex was non-consensual.

Obviously it is possible to sexually assault someone you are in a relationship with, but given what we currently have, and the fact that (as far as I have seen) this is largely being pushed by Rachel Johnson in the wake of Gaiman making pro-trans rights comments, I am still reserving any judgement. Trial by the fire of social media is not a good way to decide innocence, particularly as it generally pulls in people who didn't like the celebrity anyway to come in and say "Oh they had creepy vibes all along" as if that wins them Internet vigilante points.



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The problem is even if the assault aspect proves to be false he has still admitted to having sex with a 23 year old nanny who was being employed in his household while he was in his 60s. It feels like dodgy power dynamics and pretty sleazy behaviour.


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I am still reserving any judgement.

I mean, you can at least pass judgment on the facts that both sides have agreed on, eg engaging in a relationship with an employee 40 years younger. Whether that affects your opinion of Gaiman or not is personal.


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This is the sticking point for me. It’s only been news on this and no other news source has picked up the story at all let alone corroborated it. Not legitimate news sources. Not even TMZ has talked about it.