1763 Re: No Kidding! drama//the flamewar takes a casualty

Dec. 1, 2003

 

 

evile (bramblekite) wrote,
@ 2003-11-27 21:00:00

Current mood: aggravated

My annual Flame War

I don't know why...but every year around this time, I end up in some
stupid internet pizzing contest. This year, it's because I outed a
breeder in the No Kidding! group.

Everyone, meet Jim.


Just look at him! (and his silver dildo. Or maybe that's some sort of
IVF apparatus to help his weak sperm do their thing...?) He's an
ADONIS! If he does say so himself:

"I'm reasonably attractive, articulate, and intelligent."

"I'm a former member of Mensa with a history of scores on
standardized tests averaging me around 150 IQ"

He is, apparently, God's answer to every question. He is so
attractive, intelligent, and wonderful that he HAD to breed.

"I do have some interest in prolonging my family lineage. Since I
happened to be the most suitable breeder among my siblings, it turned
out to be my task to procreate."

By IVF.

Three Times.

Because, in his own words: "I've always felt that eugenics was a good
concept in theory, and I've felt that limited uncontrolled
experimentation might be in order."

(OH spare us, Dr. Mengele!)

And just listen to how fabuuuulous his offspring turned out to be:

"As it stands with the experiment now, we have three cute kids who
are so fucking intelligent that they promise to follow in my
footsteps, and if they do, they will demonize every teacher they
encounter in public school. As far as attractiveness and
articulativeness,

("articulativeness"--now THERE'S a MENSA word if this 144 IQ gal ever
heard one!!!)

"...the two older kids are posed to break every heart and
every rule they want, and get away with it every time. The youngest
will just punch your fucking lights out, and then take a photograph."

And what differentiates JIM's out-of-control, violent, disobedient
little hellspawn from the rest of the crackmonkies we No Kidding folk
diss?

"MY kids will grow up to join the elite class of
people who set examples for other peoples' kids; who arrest other
peoples' kids when they forge money or hijack airliners; who
formulate policy that governs generations of other peoples' kids; who
write the great books, paint the great pictures, and orchestrate the
great symphonies that will define how generations of other peoples'
kids perceive our society -- as a species, and not just as a culture."

(TRANSLATION: Oh, they're HIS uncontrollable, abusive, disobedient
hellspawn. And instead of being small, pathetic, lying losers like
dad, they're going to grow up and be POLITICIANS and CONTROL THE
WORLD.)

Oh, Okay Then.

And then, of course, he divorced his broodmare and quit MENSA.
Because raising children is sooooo harrrrrrd, I presume, he just
didn't have the mental energy to keep up with MENSA (or maybe he
spent his dues $ on IVF!) or the physical energy to keep trying to
have an adult relationship with his woman.

And then, of COURSE, this valuable member of society joined Austin No
Kidding! AND NEVER TOLD ANYONE HE WAS A DIVORCED PARENT OF THREE
because parents need to take a break from their kids and hang out
with cool Childfree People FAR MORE than any cool childfree people
need to spend time with one another.

It's TRUE! A group called "No Kidding!" which was made BY and FOR
childfree people is actually more beneficial to parents!!! (who only
get in by LYING about being parents!)

"Would it surprise you to know that most parents in custody of their
kids need a break FROM their spawn even more than childless folks
(that would be this group) do?"

Well, wah. Cry me a river and I'll crap you a bridge, ya lying
breeder scumbag.

Of course he didn't mention anything about not wanting to hang out
with a woman whose body has been ruined by unnaturally sprouting 3
kids but preferring the company of hot childfree wimmen who are
unburdened by puling brats.

No, of course not.

He NEEDED to breed. The WORLD needed his sperm-trophies. Because the
other 6 billion of us just could not do without his wonderful,
special, brilliant, fabulous children who are going to grow up and
instead of being failures and losers and liars like their dad, are
going to be wonderful humanitarians who will make the world better
for all of us.

I just don't know what offends me worst about this guy. The
arrogance? The Lying? The having *three* kids (more than the
replacement rate for oneself and spouse) by IVF (an expensive,
selfish, dangerous procedure that RUINS a woman's body) the divorce?
The LYING? The "my shit doesn't stink" attitude? The "other kids are
crapbags but mine are perfect" thing? (I call that "Breeder Blinders"
BTW)

Anyway...I'm done. I think I've gotten him booted from Austin No
Kidding! RL activities, mailing list, etc, and I may or may not boot
him off the ANK! Yahoo group if he doesn't have the good grace to
unsub himself.

I'm sorry, "I own this group" *is* truly a lame thing to say, but not
really any lamer than telling a boorish party guest "I own this
house"...ya know?

You don't come into MY home and lie about yourself to MY friends,
represent yourself as childfree to potential childfree romantic
partners, and expect to either:

a) continue to sit on my couch insulting me and my friends
b) walk out unscathed.

What a total, complete, unmitigated ASS HAT. Intelligent? Yeah, it's
intelligent to join a group where you don't fit even the first
criteria for membership.

Articulate? Indeed, his "articulativeness" in being a self-righteous
bunghole was pretty astounding.

Attractive? Hells, I wouldn't fuck him with a borrowed twat.


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cfred
2003-11-27 19:59 (link) Select
Hee. The picture won't show up on my browser. Did you manage to bring
his Yahoo account down for bandwidth usage, or content, or something
equally...deserved?

Though I'm wondering how he managed to fit his foot in his mouth
while it was so far up his ass. Sheesh.


*laff*
bramblekite
2003-11-27 20:08 (link) Select
try here: http://profiles.yahoo.com/jimintexus

I am not vindictive and evil enough to want to bring down his yahoo
acount or nuke his home email or anything like that, just...annoyed.

Mildly. (really, this is mild, for me.)

Just...bah. What a complete JERK. I mean, I don't CARE if or why
someone decides to have children (and for godssake, it *should* be a
DECISION and not an OOPS), but don't come to MY happy CF place and
tell me how your kids, in a world that has 1000X the number of humans
it can sustainably support, are more worthy of existence than anybody
else's and what a great guy YOU are for breeding 'em.

I would never, in a million years, go to a parenting group and tell
everyone how stupid they are for breeding and how wonderful and
intelligent and superior I am for NOT breeding. That's just RUDE.



mouser
2003-11-27 21:52 (link) Select
The mind reels!

I actually think you SHOULD out him, THEN ban him! "Violation of
the "Group's Charter" or something. Well, my thoughts anyway.

I just hope he doesn't discover the poly group. "Oh, more women, and
they are all swingers!" (Had a few of those pop-up.)

I was never an ANK member, but that kind of thing makes me want to
join in protest!

What a wanker!


Well,
bramblekite
2003-11-27 22:33 (link) Select
He outed himself. As a result of a fairly nasty post of mine in the
Austin No Kidding yahoo group that basically said breeding is an
admission that you have failed in life.

Okay, it was mean...BUT if it saves even one Cool Childfree Woman
from getting involved with Gods Gift, I consider it flame well spent.


Yeah, I want some of that ...
ladydreamtime
2003-11-27 22:04 (link) Select
I remember this guy from a story on Slashdot regarding the suit by a
former Miss Vermont.


Re: Yeah, I want some of that ...
bramblekite
2003-11-27 22:38 (link) Select
*laff*


danicia
2003-11-28 06:56 (link) Select
Fucker. I like this, from his yahoo page:

Oppressing the clueless, ignorant, and socially inept

guess he's oppressing himself?

Fucker.


*laff*
bramblekite
2003-11-28 08:11 (link) Select
For some reason, "oppressing himself" made me think of that Simpsons
episode where Nelson has grabbed a spotted owl, and hitting it with
its own wing and saying "stop endangering yourself! stop endangering
yourself!"

heh. I wish he would oppress himself. I'd pay to watch that!



cfred
2003-11-28 18:34 (link) Select
Oppressing himself?

Maybe that's what he calls whatever he does with the silver dildo
thing.

*giggles entirely too much*



danicia
2003-11-29 06:32 (link) Select
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Thanks for the horrible image in my mind!

*scrubs out her brain with a brillo pad*
(Reply to this) (Parent)

I'm sorry to brag here, but
rei_kun
2003-11-28 14:50 (link) Select
"I'm a former member of Mensa with a history of scores on
standardized tests averaging me around 150 IQ"

I have an IQ of 165. I have known people smarter (read: higher IQ)
than I and also people in Mensa. None of the ones *I* have ever met,
brag about their IQ. Typically they are doing something more
productive with their time.

When I come to Austin can you point him out to me so I can give him a
swift flying side kick in the ass for all of us Childfree people?

Ja

Rei.


Re: I'm sorry to brag here, but
danicia
2003-11-29 06:32 (link) Select
I agree. My mom is in Mensia...quite involved actually. I've been
surrounded by Mensans, including attenting Mensa Gatherings. Best one
so far was in LA back in the 80's when Dr Demento was the guest
speaker for the Sat Night banquet.

But I digress....you are correct. I have never met a Mensan who went
around talking about their high IQ. They just all take it as fact,
that they are that intelligent.

Social skills? Well....that's a different thing. **grin** Most
everyone I've met in Mensa is nice. Most have been very funny. Most
mensans are likely to agree with limited breeding because they
understand exactly what we're doing to this planet. ::grin::

I wonder why he's a "former" mensan? Get kicked out? ::giggle::
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I'm glad you are not breeding
lisalotte
2003-11-29 14:56 (link) Select

Eek, thanks for letting me know what a petty, human race hating
person you are.

I am glad you get to spend your time skating and other petty past-
times instead of having anything to do with a small human being.
Your point of view is Nehilistic and self-centered, all I can think
of is that you read Gulliver's Travels way too much and beleive the
human race to be completely made up of yahoos.
I'm sorry, the yahoos are just you and your friends.


You are off my friends list

A message from a
Potential Broodmare to an Evolutionary Deadend,

L


Re: I'm glad you are not breeding
bramblekite
2003-11-30 12:35 (link) Select
I'm sorry you feel that way Liz.

And sorry that you & I haven't spent enough time together for you to
know me better.

I spent Thanksgiving with friends and their kid, had a great time,
enjoyed the child and parents' company immensely.

Spent the day after Thanksgiving with other friends and their kid,
had a great time, and once again enjoyed spending time with them.

All of my friends with kids have _great_ kids who are fun to be with.
I know that you and Thax will be _great_ parents who teach your kids
how to be decent humans and not disobedient little hellions
who 'demonize' their teachers.

I have no problem with anyone making their own reproductive choices
in life. What I had a problem with was this guy being a slimeball and
a liar.

It's you choice on who you befriend in life, and who you spend your
precious free time with, and I respect your choice completely. I like
you a lot and I will miss your friendship. I will be here if you want
to talk.


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emailed this to Liz:


Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:54:27 -0800 (PST)
From: "evilE 
Subject: Your post to my LJ entry.




I think you reacted so strongly to my post due to
events in your personal life, and not so much to what
I was actually saying. Or at least I'd like to
believe that.

I know that the issue of having children hits very
close to home for you, and please believe me when I
say that I really do have all the best hopes for you
and Thax.

I know that whether you have babies of your own,
adopt, or just continue to mentor and guide the
younger HFS folks, that y'all will be responsible for
making some of the most decent human beings in the
world.

Can I try to put this into a perspective that is not
as emotionally-loaded for you and see if you will
maybe understand where I'm coming from on this?

Imagine a person showing up for the first time at the
park. He's well-garbed and has awesome weapons. He
tells everyone he is a 20th level ____ from a kingdom
in another state. He knows the rules, he plays and
fights well, he talks the talk perfectly. On the basis
of the 'points' and quals & etc. he tells you he has
from his former kingdom, he gets into a position of
authority in your group.

Then one day you say something offhanded like "That's
the kind of stupid thing a Newbie would do!" and
suddenly Mr. 20th Level is in a frothing rage at you
for dissing newbies, and confesses that even though
he's been playing 20th level for months now, he was
really a newbie when he joined.

You don't have anything against newbies. You are
simply VERY offended that he joined the group on false
pretenses, won fights, gained honors, accolades, and a
position of authority falsely, and took those from
people you KNOW had fairly fought for, and would have
earned if not for this guys lying.

That is where I am with The Jim. His parental status
is irrelevant. The fact that he lied in order to gain
acceptance in a group is the issue.

Truth is very important to me. I am a very honest
person and I respect honesty, even if it's painful or
unpleasant. I respect your honesty 100%. I like you
even better for saying what 90% of the people on my
Livejournal 'friends' list probably think but won't be
honest enough to say.

Being understood is also very important to me.

If you understand where I'm coming from, and still
don't think we can be friends, I will respect your
wishes. But I will be very sad for the loss of your
friendship.


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Got this reply:

Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 00:43:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: A short reply
 




Putting nastiness aside,

I don't think we made good friends..or aquaintences.
(or met at hfs people)

I would like to get that magazine your lent me back to
you, if you still want it.

You might want to use some of the pictures for
something...if not now, then in the future.

Liz

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wrote back:


Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 04:56:39 -0800 (PST)

Subject: Re: A short reply >



I forgot all about the magazine. Go ahead and keep it,
or toss it, or add it to the "HFS craft library," or
whatever.

I'm really sorry you feel that way re: us. I like you
a lot. I think you're a cool person. But, as I said, I
respect your choice.

=E


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Emailed this to sineater:

Thax's Liz doesn't like me anymore. I am sad.

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his reply:


 Hey, Call Me Guido
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:58:00 -0600




Actually email should do fine. Watcha up to on the 13-14th? We got
invited
to a renfest in Corpus (can't remember name, argh) to perform (no
really!)
and they are offering us vendor space in lieu of payment. Interested?
If so
need an idea of what you would want to sell by about 5 today. (Yeah,
not
rushed enough, right? I won't even have time to make anything for it
myself)
I saw the whole Liz thing this morning. It is sad, and she chose to
take
offense to things you said as if she were the one being attacked.
Something
I doubt she understands are the feelings of people who can't have
children
for whatever reason when they see people who never should have had
kids
in
the first place. So many people in this damn world take children for
granted. And so they beat them publicly at 3 am in Wal Mart because
the
kid
dared to ask for a toy or something. Or they just kill them because
they
were sick of listening to the brat cry.
No, I don't think she understood that you didn't mean -her-. Some
people
will get that, say "oh, I treat my kids better than that so that's
not
me",
and some people won't. I don't know how to deal with that either. For
chrissakes don't stop saying things because you think people are
going
to be
offended at it though.
Afterthought, I wonder if in her case she's touchier because of
hormones, or
just the fact that she wants it so badly. And/or maybe she has doubts
about
herself in the back of her mind that you touched on.
At any rate, she's wrong, and I'm sorry she blew so high. I will tell
her
myself when I get the words together. (MY first instinct is as always
to
kill. Trying to work on that...)
Anyway, love ya. Let me know about the faire, eh?

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my reply:

The suck thing about being on the outs with Liz is
that now I won't be able to go to craft days at Val &
Goofy's or feel comfortable being on friendly terms
with Thax & maybe even Jose & Sunshine. :(

She has every right to choose her friends and decide
who she wants to be around. I'm sad that I'm not one
of them, but that is her choice. I think she made it
for the wrong reasons, but...that's life. I think she
is a very honorable person and that she abhors liars
as much as I do, but the fact that the argument had
children in it clouded the main issue. Oh well. It's
not worth losing any more friends over, for you or me.

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Liz's LJ post in her own journal:

 (lisalotte) wrote,
@ 2003-12-01 10:49:00




You Talkin To ME? You Talkin To Me?
I have a short fuse.

Where can I find an extension? Better yet, where can I find a small
boy with a can of water to put it out the million times a day it
begins to smoke?

I need to take a break and take in some nature.
I've been getting overworked once more about the million different
issues the world is facing that I cannot do anything about, yet have
a strong opinion about anyway.

I think the post was changed...I'll remove the response.

L

P.S. The "eugenics" guy is a piece of work.
Someone should take the copy of Mann und Ubermann out of his library
while there may be some semblence of hope


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My reply & her reply:
evile (bramblekite) wrote,
@ 2003-12-01 12:00:00

Current mood: thankful

Hi, Liz
I saw your post today, but it's comments section is 'friends only' or
I would have put this there:

I am not sure what else is going on in your life, or if your post was
about my "special" LJ post...

But I just wanted you to know that I admire your honesty and your
truth, and I fully support your right to say and think *whatever* you
want to. Even if that means you think I suck :(

You are a very honorable, intelligent, and fair person. And you
balance that by feeling things deeply, which I also admire.

I am so thankful that you took the time to let me know I was saying
jerky stuff. Most people just blow me off and leave me all alone
wondering what happened...so, thanks again for your honesty, even
though it hurt.


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Meow
lisalotte
2003-12-01 10:19 (link) Select
Thank you
your words are touching.

I have a problem with the mouth and the going off thing.


I'd like to take off my bit of nastiness off of your lj, but I'm
having a time doing it.
I'll have to try later, it's time to run errends
.

Meow,

L

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