Dec. 11th, 2001

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    Something I hear on the radio about 'self righteous suicide' --don't
    know the name of the song or the band, and I don't really even like
    the song. I guess I just like the lyric.

    =====================================================
    Some interesting stuff from nonbp nook.

    Also, other people dealing with BPs report similar problems w/ their
    BP that A has: chronic 'illness' 'preventing' them from holding
    down a job, meeting obligations, etc., snooping/spying on people
    (A bragging on breaking into J's Hotmail account, my
    suspicions that she also reads E's email.)
    ===============================================
    From: me
    Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 10:28 am
    Subject: Re: History! Do you relive it over & over again?

    I have history problems too, and haven't found any constructive way
    to get it out of the way and move on.

    My last real contact with my BP SIL was over a professional
    obligation that she had not met, and I called her on it, and for
    whatever reason, she started berating me for the bad time she had at
    her bachelorette party that a friend and I had thrown for her 9+
    freaking years ago.

    I told her that I was willing to listen to anything she had to say
    about what happened 9 years ago, but 'not in this context'--I told
    her I wanted to talk specifically about what happened X date, and
    that I would be willing to hear her out regarding my past
    transgressions another time.

    She hasn't yet responded to my offer; I am still getting the silent
    treatment. I have to admit that it's pretty peaceful, but I miss
    seeing my brother. I think I've seen him twice since the big fight in
    April, and talked to him on the phone maybe 4-5 times. Very sad. And
    I don't know what to do about it. I think she knows that I
    was 'right' and she was 'wrong' about the last incident, and wanted
    to bring up an incident where she was 'right' and I was 'wrong' to
    justify her bad behavior in the present.

    I think maybe BP's keep some kind of score card in their heads, but I
    am not sure what the game is or what the criteria are for 'scoring'.

    They don't seem to understand how to forgive and forget, and every
    hurtful thing that has ever happened to them is just as hurtful every
    time they remember it as it was the first time it happened. It's hard
    to get my brain around that kind of thinking, but it helps when I can
    remember this and try to have some empathy.

    ================================
    From: Edith
    Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 3:45 pm
    Subject: Re: History! Do you relive it over & over again?



    <<
    My last real contact with my BP SIL was over a professional
    obligation that she had not met, and I called her on it, and for
    whatever reason, she started berating me ...
    >>

    When you "called her on it", then she *split* you into "all bad".

    <<
    ... I told her I wanted to talk specifically about what happened X
    date, and that I would be willing to hear her out regarding my past
    transgressions another time.
    >>

    Your confrontation brought her defense mechanisms into play -- ie,
    denial, projection, splitting, rationalization, etc. BPDs won't admit
    to anything being wrong with them. They see their Self as *either*
    all good OR all bad. If she were to see her Self as all bad then she
    might self-mutilate.

    <<
    She hasn't yet responded to my offer; I am still getting the silent
    treatment.
    >>

    Yup, she split you into all bad. And now she's either doing a
    distortion campaign on you OR you're "out of sight, out of mind".
    BPD's behavior *is* predictable.

    <<
    I have to admit that it's pretty peaceful, but I miss
    seeing my brother. ... I think she knows that I was 'right' and she
    was 'wrong' about the last incident, and wanted to bring up an
    incident where she was 'right' and I was 'wrong' to justify her bad
    behavior in the present.
    >>

    You have to remember that her thinking is based on cognitive
    distortions--its a hallmark of the disorder, along with her
    abandonment/entanglement issues. It takes NonBPs a long time to
    finally understand BPD's illogically-based thinking. Once you
    understand how they think, then interacting with them can be
    productive.

    <<
    I think maybe BP's keep some kind of score card in their heads, but I
    am not sure what the game is or what the criteria are for 'scoring'.
    >>

    Its no game. They have a mental disorder. If they want something that
    you've got, then they'll split you all good and hoover you.

    <<
    They don't seem to understand how to forgive and forget, and every
    hurtful thing that has ever happened to them is just as hurtful every
    time they remember it as it was the first time it happened.
    >>

    Yes.

    <<
    It's hard to get my brain around that kind of thinking, but it helps
    when I can remember this and try to have some empathy.
    >>

    Good, you're starting to understand. It takes awhile. Just don't take
    her stuff personally.

    Cheers,
    Edith

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    behavioral therapy developed by Marsha Linehan, Ph.D., at the
    University of Washington. It has been successfully used to treat
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    http://my.webmd.com/
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    Dec. 11, 2001
     
    This email has me all a-flutter.
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    From: E
    Tue 12/11/2001 12:13 PM
    To: me

    Oi!
    No time to look at it now, but if you an send me your ph#, I can call
    you in a little bit, lots o' news.
    !iO

    Hide message history
    >
    > http://www.stoneclave.com/tavern/cube/cube3.asp
    >
    > I will share my results with you if you will share yours with me :)

 
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    http://www.angelfire.com/biz/BPD/Gunder.html


    The 3 Levels of Emotions found in Borderline Personality
    Pages 32-37 of John G. Gunderson's _Borderline Personality Disorder_


    This formulation emphasizes the degree to which the borderline
    person's manifest psychopathology can be understood in terms of
    relationships to major objects.

    The term major object will be used to refer to any significant
    current relationship perceived as necessary . In the following
    section, the borderline person's current relationships to the three
    levels of psychological functioning are observed. Lower levels of
    psychological function emerge regressively and act to preserve a
    sense of contact with and control over major object relationships.


    LEVEL I


    When a major object is present and supportive, the depressive, bored,
    and lonely features predominate. Here the borderline person is at the
    first and best level of function. It is characterized by considerable
    conscious longing for closer attachment but considerable passivity
    and failure to initiate greater sharing within the context of the
    relationships. There is a capacity here to reflect on past failures
    and to identify conflicts and resistances realistically. There
    remains, however, considerable concern about the object's fragility
    and concurrent fears of being controlled by becoming dependent. As
    Kernberg (1975) has pointed out, such concerns reflect fears of
    projected hostility. the wary expectation of being controlled can be
    used as an active attempt to gain control over others. The result is
    that a dysphoric stalemate exists in relationships, which is
    periodically disrupted by regressive efforts to provoke reassurance
    from the other or by progressive initiatives to acknowledge what they
    want and feel they need from that person more fully. Two major
    organizing and sustaining beliefs are "Should I want more from you,
    or should I be angry with you, you will leave" and "If I'm more
    compliant, something will be given to me that will make me
    invulnerable and less destructive." The nature of this "something" is
    generally not well defined. Behind these conscious beliefs are
    concerns with the destructiveness of their own aggressive wishes and
    wishes to find a powerful protector. In any event, the basic tension
    between wanting more from the object and fearing that less will be
    received accounts for the sustained dysphoria characteristic of
    borderline functioning at this level. Within treatment contexts,
    these features of the borderline's personality disorder will be
    evident during uninterrupted phases of therapy (even more evident in
    the middle of hours, and likewise when such patients are offered
    considerable autonomy within supportive residential treatment
    settings. During these periods, patients will generally be able to
    work collaboratively with an active therapist toward fuller affective
    expression and insight i.e., accept interpretations). The resistances
    most commonly encountered are the patient's passive compliance,
    accompanied by failure to initiate contact, bring in new material,
    and so on. This often occurs in response to activity by the therapist
    that is experienced as directive or helpful. Such compliance and
    failures to initiate often contain a covert demand that the therapist
    do more. Another resistance arises after having shared new material
    or affect; then the patient withdraws and becomes defiant. Such
    sharing is accompanied by fears that there will be a loss of control,
    that they will give in to their passive wishes, and that, if either
    of these fears is actualized, the therapist will then respond
    exploitatively. These represent threats to the illusion of control
    over the therapist which sustains the patient on this level. The
    overt expression of these concerns is an increased fear of being
    controlled and an openly defiant posture. Within residential
    settings, impatience and fears of giving much gratification
    (secondary gain) are common feelings among staff working with
    borderline patients who are functioning within this level. Treatment
    personnel are likely to overestimate a patient's strengths and try to
    stir patients into better social functioning and more independence.
    There is frequently a failure to recognize and interpret, especially
    to less verbal patients, the degree to which their passivity reflects
    fears of loosing control over their affects and the degree to which
    their compliance silently hides their belief that their object is
    under their control. Under such circumstances, it is difficult to
    appreciate and anticipate the extreme sensitivity to rejection that
    becomes evident when either greater autonomy or separation is
    encouraged.


    LEVEL II


    When a major object is frustrating to borderline persons or when the
    specter of their loss is raised, a second level of psychological
    functioning and a different constellation of clinical phenomena are
    evident. The angry, devaluative, and manipulative features
    predominate. Although the affective tone of anger is pervasive, it is
    only occasionally expressed as open rage. More frequently, it takes a
    modified form such as biting sarcasm, belligerent argumentativeness,
    or extreme demands. The anger is modified to alleviate fears of
    losing the object (in reality as well as its mental representation),
    while it still communicates the wish to maintain a hold on the
    person. Failing this, the patient can attempt to deny the fear of
    loss by dismissing the felt need for the object (i.e., devaluation)
    or attempt to prevent loss by dramatizing the object need.
    Manipulative suicidal gestures are frequent under these
    circumstances. At its extreme, when there is danger of the anger
    becoming too uncontrolled, the rage gets projected onto the object
    and paranoid accusations occur. All of these reactions are best
    understood as efforts, often conscious, to control or coerce the
    object into staying. These issues - to feel the need for a reliably
    available other and to feel able to control that person - have not
    changed from the higher level. Rather it is the repertoire of
    defenses and their behavioral expression that undergo regression and
    are most specific to the borderline patient. These reactions continue
    as long as the object is still perceived as accessible or retainable.
    The disabling effects of anticipated loss can frequently be seen as
    the patient struggles to find some acceptable expression of its
    attendant affects. This can take the form of rather elaborate and
    poorly connected affective states - giggling, bland dismissals,
    sudden rages, and, of course, extreme lability. The distinctive
    feature is the dissembled unsustained quality of the affects. Within
    treatment contexts, these features of the borderline's
    psychopathology become evident only when the treating person, or
    institution, has assumed the role of a major object (i.e., is felt as
    needed by the patient). When the object is felt as needed, these
    regressive phenomena emerge whenever separations are imminent (i.e.,
    terminations, vacations, and end of hours). They also take place
    within the psychotherapy hours themselves whenever the inaccurate.
    The borderline patient's elaborate efforts to prevent separations and
    sudden anger at or withdrawal from frustrations are critical features
    in the treatment of borderlines. These features have been a focus of
    most authors who have primarily been concerned with analytic therapy
    (Adler 1975; Giovacchini 1973; Kernberg 1968; Masterson 1972.) Under
    these circumstances, borderline patients will frequently dismiss a
    therapist's interpretative or clarificatory efforts (i.e., to one).
    The therapist's primary task is to interrupt the patient's anger
    enough to draw attention to the provoking incident. This often
    requires confrontation or limit setting. Such responses address the
    change of feeling and attitude as a regressive retreat from some
    reality that the patient wishes to avoid. It preserves and calls on
    the patient to utilize still intact ego functions of reality testing
    and self-observation. It is not that the expression of anger at the
    therapist's failure are not critically important in themselves; it is
    that the transformed rage (i.e., devaluation, manipulation, or
    paranoid accusations) utilizes defenses of denial, acting out, and
    projection, which prevent the patient's recognition of the feeling
    response and its reason. I believe this helps understand why many
    experienced therapists have found it futile to allow borderline
    patients to spend much time in this preferred mode of angry
    expressiveness. Once the regressive efforts are interrupted,
    interpretative work directed at the devaluation ("You're working hard
    not to know what you want" or "You're afraid to want things from me
    which you can't control"), the manipulation ("You're trying to exert
    control over me without risking that it will provoke my anger"
    or "You want to prevent me from being unavailable"), or the
    projection ("You're mad at me for not always being available"
    or "You're afraid of how enraged you might be with me") can be
    accepted and worked with. An insistent examination of the importance
    a patient places on the therapist's presence brings to fears of
    experiencing the important helplessness that are a psychological
    function occurs within the therapeutic context, and while the object,
    the analysis of its purpose and form is a critical part of
    psychotherapy.

    LEVEL III


    When a borderline person feels an absence or lack of any major
    object, then a third level of psychological function becomes
    predominant. The phenomena during such periods include the occurrence
    of brief psychotic episodes, panic states, or impulsive efforts to
    avoid such panic. These phenomena each represent efforts to ward off
    the subjective experience of aloneness (Adler and Buie 1979a) and, I
    would add, total badness. Under ordinary circumstances, this aspect
    of the borderline around - even if without any evident emotional
    contact, in using radio and television as hypnotics, or in heavy
    reliance on transitional objects (Arkema 1981; Morris et. al. 1984).
    Under the more extreme circumstances when there has been a loss of a
    specific and essential object relationship, dangerous impulsive acts
    occur that most commonly consist of taking drugs or alcohol. These
    serve both to numb the panic and to initiate social contacts. Fights
    and promiscuity occur under these circumstances - often assisted by
    the disinhibiting influence of alcohol - and reflect desperate
    efforts to establish contact with and to revive the illusion of
    control over some new object. A second major type of reaction against
    the experience of aloneness is a prolonged dissociative episode of
    either the depersonalization or derealization types. These detach the
    borderline person from either the reality of bodily distress or the
    reality of the environmental situation that evokes that intolerable
    distress. During dissociative episodes, nihilistic fears occur ("am I
    dead, has my body dissolved"), and these may give rise to self-
    mutilation in order to confirm being alive by feeling pain.
    Frequently, such self-mutilation is accompanied by restitutive
    fantasies in which the absent object is either believed to be
    performing the act or is being punished by the act, but in either
    event, is still involved. These self-mutilative actions are quite
    different in their intent and subjective experience from the suicidal
    gestures that occur when ongoing contact with a specific object is
    still being sought. Sometimes nihilistic ideas slip from dystonic
    fears to become beliefs; they then take on aspects of psychotic
    depressions. The conviction of being evil and nihilistic beliefs are
    two extremes that the borderline patient achieves when the usual
    defenses of action and substitutive objects are not that Kernberg
    (1967) refers to the borderline's very primitive underlying,
    generally avoided, abandonment depression as central to his
    formulations. Perhaps because of the amount of interpersonal
    involvement and the borderline person's dramatic responsivity to such
    involvement, sustained depressions of psychotic proportions are
    unusual in borderline patients, particularly for those who are in
    treatment settings. Occasionally, bizarre imagery, simple
    hallucinatory phenomena, or transient somatic delusions occur. The
    object restitutive aspect patient who developed the belief she was
    pregnant, or the patient who developed anal and urethral
    retentiveness requiring emergency room care). The most common
    delusional experience is ideas of reference. Not only do these
    project unacceptable self-judgements, they sustain a sense of
    involvement with nonspecific others where none exists. The general
    point here is function (desperate impulsivity, substance abuse,
    dissociative episodes, brief psychotic episodes, and ideas of
    reference) represent efforts to manage the fear of aloneness and the
    sense of badness. This badness is related to beliefs that they have
    failed or wronged their object. These experiences of alone-badness
    and the panicky reactions to it are seldom seen within the hospital
    or psychotherapeutic context. As described subsequently (Chapter 7)
    they do, however, often come to the attention of clinicians as a
    reason for seeking treatment or as phenomena described
    retrospectively by borderline patients. Understanding the context in
    which they occur is important so that their recurrence can be
    anticipated and avoided.
 

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