SkyeDS: afternoon :) how goes?
evile: not bad. ready to go home already.
SkyeDS: lol I was ready to go home before I walked out the door :)
SkyeDS: had a long talk with Sharjinka this mornin. Gave her
theinformation I keep giving everyone every year about TUNA's
SkyeDS: she's going up to deal with PtA on the 24th. Told her I
would go with, but I have an event.
evile: I'd like to be a fly on the wall for that.
SkyeDS: me too.
evile: I think I'd rather be at Eeyore's though :)
SkyeDS: havea good time at eeyore's, I plan to have a good time at
the SCA event :)
evile: Yup. We can just hear all the details afterwards. No need to
ruin a weekend for stuff like that. I think Sharjinka is going to have
all the backup she needs as things stand now.
evile: I just hope everything blows up and is awful and everyone has
a chance to get over it in time for CRW to be pleasant.
SkyeDS: I hope the fearsome four get pissed off and never come to
another CRW
evile: heh. I think a lot of people would enjoy that.
SkyeDS: I told Sharjinka that all HFS eneds is oen good administrator
SkyeDS: (like me for example)
evile: for everyone to despise, blame for everything, and stab in the
back. Sounds like a fun job
SkyeDS: they can't give me the job
SkyeDS: one, it doesn't pay
SkyeDS: and two, I don't have time
SkyeDS: someone *like* me
evile: I don't think you could _force_ that kind of job on someone,
if that someone was competent and intelligent enough to realize what
it entailed & the personality problems that would come out of it.
SkyeDS: they need someone who isn't a knight
SkyeDS: who isn't a monarch
evile: The kind of person who would welcome, enjoy, or (worst) get
off on that kind of conflict would NOT be the one to do the job RIGHT
SkyeDS: who isn't deeply embroiled in politics, at all
SkyeDS: nods. Catch 22.
evile: And nobody who wasn't already a knight would have a chance in
HELL of even getting enough initial support/respect to get the job in
the first place. And since knighthood is a popularity/personality
contest, nobody currently in HFS is capable/competent/trustworthy to
do it.
SkyeDS: unless it was a Service knight rather than a Fighting knight
evile: which, as far as I know, does not exist in HFS, and you're
modeling from SCA, right?
SkyeDS: no
SkyeDS: in SCA they're called Pelicans
SkyeDS: in HFS they're called Service Knights
SkyeDS: HFS = Service Knights, Arts & Sciences Knights, Fighting
Knights (and Tower = all 3)
evile: I think the very nature of HFS, the way it was created, the
way it exists, carries within it the seeds of its own destruction and
if you wanted to save it, youd have to raze it to the ground and
start over from scratch.
SkyeDS: I think if you want to rescue CRW, you go back to what worked
SkyeDS: which is Drandmir running it
evile: Personally, I don't care enough to put in that kind of work.
SkyeDS: but Drandmir does not seem to want it back
SkyeDS: and everybody was whining about wanting a shot at it
SkyeDS: so fine, everyone throw one of your own but quit the goddamn
motherfuckin bitchwhinemoaning about "it isn't like a Drandmir CRW"
evile: Well, you've seen what happens when anybody steps up to the
plate and takes responsibility for anything. People whine and
complain and there is literally NO pleasing anyone. You do a lot of
work nobody appreciates it, and you get stabbed in the back for your
troubles. I don't blame Drandmir a bit for not wanting to organize CRW
SkyeDS: Rita is an organizer and an administrator. I think she and
Calinorn will do as well with it as can be done with the present
system.
evile: yup.
SkyeDS: and as usual, PtA started the shit that hit the fan this
weekend. I don't know what the hell he thinks he's doing, attacking
the most beloved people in HFS...Chelle, Katy (like, omfg) and now
Mike & Rita
evile: stupid guy. Very self destructive. Too bad hes trying to take
HFS with him....
SkyeDS: his own little kingdom thinks he's a god but he's slowly but
surely turning every other kingdom against him <shrug>
evile: even the stupidest sheep can wise up eventually :P
evile: I'll be interested to hear what Sharjinka has to say when she
gets back.
SkyeDS: I just don't get it
SkyeDS: Gabriel can be very intnelligent ad well spokenn
SkyeDS: until you see him blow up
SkyeDS: and until I remember that he chose to tell the entire CR that
Arthur shit on his chair
SkyeDS: rather than come to me AT Crw and ask me to clean it up
evile: Nobody's perfect.
SkyeDS: the degree to which he is an ass, when he is a ass, makes one
forget the good
evile: I literally have *no* room to judge. When I lose my cool, I
screw up big time, too.
evile: Any time you get people together for any common goal, you are
also gatherng their faults, stupidities, and weaknesses, which also
become larger.
SkyeDS: it doesn't help his case that he commits his to writing on a
public board
evile: HFS is largely a group of very nice, very smart, socially
retarded people who like to avoid reality to some greater or lesser
degree, so you can't expect these people to be gentlepersons &
statesmen...
SkyeDS: no
SkyeDS: I expect someone who speaks and thinks as well as Gabriel
obviously does
evile: I personally am very grateful for the Usenet failure which
erased every stupidity I committed to print before 1995.
SkyeDS: not to go off on Mike the way he did.
evile: there is still enough out there for any dedicated anti-E
person to make a very good case against my intelligence, common
sense, decency, or fitness as a human being. But...most people seem
to like me & I do OK in spite of that, anyway :P
SkyeDS: you aren't trying to unify the CR
evile: Nope.
SkyeDS: if you were, and you were going along being VERY intelligent
andn VERY well spoken andn VERY persuasive, and then you blew up and
every other word was abusive and/or profane
SkyeDS: you would damage your Cause.
evile: But if I ever did try to provide leadership or show my
humanity, and somebody took something I wrote in 1996 and waved it
around as an example of "Who E Really Is"....it might work, but it
would be detrimental to my detractors case in the long run.
SkyeDS: writing it in the middle of your campaign would be more
injurious
evile: Everybody screws up. Everybody says stupid things at some
point. Finding a leader who is perfect would simply show me the best
sociopath in the group.
SkyeDS: <shrug> I just think he really shot himself in the foot.
SkyeDS: at the worst possible time
evile: Kind of like how we pick presidents. We aren't going to get
Dean, even if he is principled and honest, because he lost his shit
in public on the campaign trail. Our loss, probably. Kerry's voted
lockstep with W almost every step of the way.
evile: I'm just devil's advocating here. I 've never met Gabriel and
he hasn't done or said anything to/about me personally, and I have
nothing at stake in whether HFS grows or dies...
SkyeDS: I have tried to cry peace personally with him, because he and
I have never "met" face to face either
SkyeDS: but every time we're in the same room, he chooses to scowl at
me and not speak
evile: see? socially retarded.
SkyeDS: I would like very much to get along with him
SkyeDS: he's smart and I know he can be nice to other people
evile: Unfortunately, it's *his* choice of who he is and is not going
to get along with.
SkyeDS: lol not if he wants to unify the CR
SkyeDS: I would wager I'm not the only one feeling this way
evile: back to the socially retarded...
SkyeDS: he picked a bad time to be socially retarded
evile: it isn't a choice, necesarily, any more than being colorblind
or not knowing how to use chopsticks.
evile: Most situations, you won't even realize you are lacking in
some ability or skill...
SkyeDS: I was hoping to see him succeed
SkyeDS: and I think he couldhave, if he hadn't <shrug>
evile: you never know. He might anyway.
SkyeDS: hope so
SkyeDS: but kind of doubtful now
evile: I have not yet been successful in predicting the results of
large groups of humans' taking a unified action.
evile: or even in predicting what action such a group may take given
a certain situation.
evile: I will not enjoy seeing friends who have a stake in this, or
who actually give a crap, being hurt...but I don't know where to
tell 'em to jump to avoid it.
evile: And Sharjinka, despite her straightforward & honest approach,
always seems to create and reap the most hurt, misunderstanding,a nd
just plain drama I've ever seen in my life with the possible
exception of my days in RHPS.
SkyeDS: nods
evile: And she manages to accomplish all of that *without* opening
her legs. Which is pretty unusual for a woman. (or a man, for that
matter, now that I think on it)
SkyeDS: lol
evile: Which pretty much trumps RHPS drama.
evile: because mostly in RHPS all you have to do to solve a problem
is to remove X's dick from Y's orifice and everyone calms down.
evile: And nobody in RHPS ever had very much money to lose or
steal/have stolen...so this HFS stuff is pretty much beyond my
personal 'large group of socially retarded people' problem-solving
experience.
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