SkyeDS: good morning (barely)
evile: hi :)
evile: I think I may really hate brandyeileen. Her LJ today is all
this bitching about how she went off depo and lost so much weight,
she is freaking out because she's too skinny. *stab,stab*
SkyeDS: lol
SkyeDS: sounds reminiscent of X actually
evile: heh.
evile: so brandyeileen might actually have herself a little meth
habit? that's a pleasand thought.
SkyeDS: isn't brandyeileen = The Diva?
evile: yup
SkyeDS: she's also part of the little circle Kaleon was in before he
left.
evile: oh, really?
evile: how do you know this?
SkyeDS: circles aren't hard to trace in LJ
evile: oh.
SkyeDS: and, his circle was all pagan & poly.
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: you know perfectly well how small and concentric all the
fringe circles around here are.
evile: yeah
SkyeDS: last Saturday we ran into a complete stranger who mentioned
Barad Duin to us.
SkyeDS: and then was surprised that we knew what she was talking
about.
evile: wow!
SkyeDS: not only that, but Jurgen told her about my contretemps with
Jose at War.
SkyeDS: with only details that he foujnd appropriate of course
SkyeDS: he neglected to tell ehr it was a fake axe.
evile: wow.
SkyeDS: he neglected to tell her that Jose had been cursing at Arthur
multiple times in front of the children who were my principle clients
SkyeDS: principal
SkyeDS: and that Jose had been asked and then warned at least three
times not only by me but by others to cease and desist hollaring and
cursing at Arthur
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: or that I didn't know he had a blindside and didn't see me
SkyeDS: or that when I saw the weapon wasn't completely padded, I
pulled the shot
SkyeDS: or that Jose because of his blindside walked straight into it
after I pulled it.
SkyeDS: so, very small circles.
evile: well, stuff like that always gets blown out of proportion and
such in the retelling.
evile: (sort of like all of the I'm after Jose, I'm after Thax, etc.
stories...and I don't even go to HFS but maybe 6 times a year, IF
THAT)
SkyeDS: Thax has a reputation for being a libertine that he has
brought upon himself
SkyeDS: and there are two camps there, the Thax sympathizers and the
Lisalotte sympathizers
SkyeDS: the Lisalotte sympathizers do not seem to be aware of the effect of
her EQ addiction on Thax
evile: From the 'deer in headlights' look I got from him the last
time he propositioned me and I said yes, I think he's all talk.
SkyeDS: ROFL
evile: (which is good, because I had no intention of actually getting
nekkid with the boy)
SkyeDS: well, I like both Thax and Lisalotte, so when the talk comes to me,
I point out to both sides that there is another side
SkyeDS: just call me Devil's Advocate.
evile: *nod*
evile: Pretty surprising that they've managed to stay together as
long as they have, really.
SkyeDS: anyway, while it is always possible that should I meet the
Diva I would form from personal experience a different opinion
SkyeDS: I can't say I'm in a hurry to make her acquaintance
evile: *shrug* she's been out of town for months now, so I doubt
you'll be running across her anytime soon.
SkyeDS: well, when it is meant to happen it will, otherwise, eh.
SkyeDS: Jose, apparently, has told everyone before introducing them
to me in social situations that I am mentally unstable and unhinged
evile: wow.
SkyeDS: Jubilee, for example, learned for herself through experience,
to form a different opinion
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: while I don't know the Diva, I do know that Kaleon is addicted
to Drama. It wouldn't be too far an extrapolation to hypothesize
that his newfound circle also shares his fondness for Drama
SkyeDS: so, no thank you, to anyone in said circle
SkyeDS: I also know that a good number of the local polys like their
Drama, and so do a good many of the local pagans.
evile: heh.
SkyeDS: so, no thanks.
evile: There are a good number of people who put up with the Diva
because it's easier than the drama that would ensue if they tried to
exclude her.
SkyeDS: I understand that. That's my usual MO with such people.
SkyeDS: and those of us who handle them that way are popular with them
evile: yup
SkyeDS: if you know you are a doormat, then you have two choices.
Change that, or be careful whose door you put yourself down in front
of.
evile: yeah
SkyeDS: I am more careful of the situations I put myself in, than I
used to be
evile: apparently the last monday night/girls night/craft night,
there was some talk about the cattiness. I wonder what the outcome of
that is going to be.
evile: If anyone thinks I'm catty NOW, they should have known me in
my Princess Macchiavelli Bookstop days.
evile: Of course, if you'd whacked me in the head and then run off
crying, I might think you were a little nutty, too....
SkyeDS: well, it isn't lost on me that he's been telling people that
the entire time he's known me and then I unwittingly haul off and do
something to arguably prove him right in front of an audience of just
under 200.
evile: Oh, I didn't realize he'd said something even before the CRW
incident.
SkyeDS: OTOH, if you go around telling everyone that someone is
crazy, if eventually that someone does do something crazy, you can't
really be surprised now can you?
evile: HFS'ers are all drama whores. I am wondering how long Jinx and
JG are going to last, because he does not do drama _at all_
SkyeDS: JG brings out the good in Sharjinka, I hope that continues
indefinitely.
evile: I hope so too. But she's been in HFS a long time, and on some
level seems to enjoy the high drama aspect of it.
SkyeDS: that Jose has been saying that about me to anyone who would
listen, the entire length of our acquaintance, came as a total
surprise
SkyeDS: two or three people approached me recently to tell me that
Jose deserved what happened
SkyeDS: to which after I replied, well, he deserved something, but
exactly what happened
evile: I would doubt the length/depth/breadth of his smack-talking.
HFSers are drama junkies, It wouldn't be beyond them to use big words
like 'always' and such to describe a more recent behavior
SkyeDS: and their contention was that yes, he deserved exactly what
happened, because he brought it upon himself in more ways than I knew
about.
evile: sorry, but nobody deserves physical violence, no matter what
they're saying.
SkyeDS: I know he talks smack. Even Katy has called him on the
carpet for it.
SkyeDS: I didn't say I agreed with them, I said, that's how I came to
find out what had been said for a long time before.
SkyeDS: Katy dragged him by the elven ears he was wearing all the way
across the battlefield to make him apologize to me on one memorable
occasion.
evile: I would tend to question the tale-bearers, their motives and
truthfulness, because there are plenty of people who like to throw
gunpowder at lit fires to watch what happens.
evile: lots of sniveling worms like to start shit between lions just
to watch the blood fly.
SkyeDS: I'm well aware of that.
SkyeDS: and I know what I've seen him do myself.
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: a) that this is his opinion of me, I already knew, he makes
no secret of it, from me
SkyeDS: b) that he runs his mouth about me behind my back, expressing
said opinion of me, doesn't really surprise me
SkyeDS: I didn't really know how far it went, until I was told by
more than one completely reputable source
evile: wow...
SkyeDS: I personally find it a little disgusting that he has formed
an attachment to my Mirage while having the low opinion of me that he
does.
evile: *shrug* you and Mirage are not the same person/being.
evile: I'm sure there are people who like you and don't like your
horses/men/whatever.
SkyeDS: it's a little ungrateful to run your mouth about the person
who shares their resources with you
SkyeDS: if I like your cooking, it doesn't behoove me to run around
talking smack about you if I want you to continue to cook for me.
evile: yeah.
evile: I guess I'll go with "what a sad person" and leave it at that.
Poor thing.
SkyeDS: that he had a low opinion of me, I already knew
SkyeDS: that he was saying exactly what he was saying and to whom, I
didn't know the extent of
SkyeDS: and was surprised to find this out
evile: yeah, that sucks.
SkyeDS: why I should be surprised, when this is not the first time
I've been through this pattern, I don't know
SkyeDS: I guess I shouldn't have been surprised for a complete
stranger to tell me Jurgen's version of what happened last JULY, but
I was.
evile: It's too bad, but with a group that big, and that full of
drama queens, shit like that is going to happen.
SkyeDS: it has been said that no one is further removed from anyone
else by more than something like 6 or 7 degrees, that may well be
true.
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: it is good to remember that whatever you say will get back to
you, just as if you had written it down
SkyeDS: actually it's worse when it isn't written down because then
it gets spun
evile: *nod* exactly
evile: I wonder if he ever figured out why the gift card was only a 1-
time deal?
evile: I give you a present, you make unsavory assumptions about my
motives and character and talk about them to my friends, you don't
get another present. Seems fairly straightforward, but he probably
assumes it's because he didn't put out.
SkyeDS: he doesn't think much of the value of his virginity if it
could be bought for the value of one heb gift card
SkyeDS: and whether or not he's still a virgin is debatable anyway
depending on which of his exes you ask
SkyeDS: of course, none of them are any more trustworthy than he is.
evile: *shrug* I'm a lot more direct than that , if that's what I'm
after.
SkyeDS: well, as you've said yourself, you're a Godiva girl, not a
hershey's milk chocolate girl
SkyeDS: that would leave out men you could buy with an HEB gift card
evile: yup. And why go after bologna when I've got prime rib at home?
SkyeDS: monstrous ego
evile: vienna sausages, maybe
evile: turkey bologne.
SkyeDS: because I have a semi-open marriage many people think I
swing, and that I'm automatically after every and any man I know.
evile: *nod*
evile: Hm. I wonder if there's a nice way to say "Look, I know you're
using me, could you at least pretend to give a shit about me on the
days when you're NOT asking me to drive you to poly stuff?"
SkyeDS: that could be nicely modified to "Look, I know you're using
me, could you at least not talk shit about me on the days when you're
NOT riding my horse?"
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: I'm not an expert on how to say things tactfully anyway.
evile: Me neither
SkyeDS: that was a good page you found about horses' ability to bear
weight
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: that's one among many pages I read before I attempted to
answer his weight question actually
evile: I had just figured I shouldn't ride anymore once I went over
the 200 mark.
SkyeDS: a lot of people try to answer it with just a horse's height,
which is ridiculous
SkyeDS: then there's the % of the horse's weight, which is almost as
ludicrous
SkyeDS: the bone measurement is a little better (measuring the cannon
bone)
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: but really, you have to look at a whole lot of factors. and
truly if you're hurting ahorse, the horse will let you know in no
uncertain terms.
evile: yup
SkyeDS: Arabs aren't "supposed" to carry more than 230 pounds, but I
know for a fact with my saddle and me, Rag carries more than that
with no problem
SkyeDS: and Jez is stronger in my experience than Rag.
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: but, when we play squire carry, for the sake of the horses
and the sake of the people involved, it will be with a dummy
SkyeDS: the inanimate kind
evile: heh.
SkyeDS: what I wasn't going to say was, Jin and Dalan are Big Boys.
Jin I'd let at least try, on Jez, and Dalan, sorry, but no.
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: btw is not first time the weight issue has come up.
Drandmir's Joe thought he was too heavy until we proved otherwise.
evile: he's a sweetheart.
SkyeDS: aye that
SkyeDS: we've started using neoprene pads beneath the saddle blankets
we already had
SkyeDS: started doing that when Mirage developed a saddle sore that
refused to heal
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: saddles are a whole nother very lengthy discussion
SkyeDS: found the Sacred Grove Apothecary (online) that makes Skin
Mend, and that stuff works miracles
evile: cool.
SkyeDS: it is a concoction some of the ingredients I already knew to
use, some that I don't know, and then there is proportion and
preparation that I don't know.
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: the tendency to throw around percentages and statistics (80%
of the HFS for example) amuses me
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: where, pray tell, does one get such a number, without a poll
SkyeDS: and since not everyone in the HFS is online, that number
would only be a percentage of those who were polled, not the entire
HFS
evile: exactly
SkyeDS: "there are lies, damn lies, and statistics" (Mark Twain, I
think)
evile: heh.
SkyeDS: Eeyore's called me yesterday
SkyeDS: it's interesting how they work
SkyeDS: the first time anyone applies to do anything, the answer
almost always is no
SkyeDS: then they expect that you will keep asking, every year, until
the answer is yes
SkyeDS: I said, well, t hat's good to know, because I personally do
not keep asking after I"m told no.
evile: but you've already worked there...
SkyeDS: not with the children as a petting zoo
evile: oh, OK then.
SkyeDS: and although they have a donkey every year, apparently they
do not take the same attitude towards the horses
SkyeDS: I wasn't going to bother to tell them that donkeys and mules
kick worse and harder than horses.
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: so, the woman who called would like to have all of the
children there in garb to be a petting zoo (which beats demonstrating
the games, we're all lazy), she doesn't think it will fly with the
Board, this year, but she wants us to keep asking until the Board
says yes.
evile: feh.
SkyeDS: this does not make sense, to me personally, but far be it
from me not to follow instructions given by someone who knows more
about the way this board functions than I do.
evile: yup...
SkyeDS: but I told her, I don't know, but I think a lot of people
probably operate like I do, tell me no, and I go away.
evile: exactly.
SkyeDS: Eeyore's is in the hole for the first time
evile: the Io Pan Jam is the same weekend, so there's other fun stuff
to do.
SkyeDS: their insurance went up from 1K to 10K after 9/11 and they're
losing money and don't know what to do
evile: wow.
evile: run a pay shuttle like trail of lights.
SkyeDS: they may start charging both entrance and booth fees
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: I told her, look, I can provide you the document that
includes a description of the ground crew training and
responsibilities in terms of spectators, I can provide you with the
waiver that everyone in Texas with a clue uses, and a copy of Ch 87
(Equestrian Code)
SkyeDS: and bring my pen, and set it up in the park, and let you see
how the whole thing would work
SkyeDS: visuals being good
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: and what i want to know is, I'm s upposed to make all that
effort every year until they say yes?
evile: ugh. too much trouble!
SkyeDS: apparently that's what they put HFS through before they let
them do the maypole
SkyeDS: AND they put them through it again before they let them do
Fight the Knight
evile: jeez.
SkyeDS: ok, whatever, this is supposed to be a bunch of volunteers
doing whatever we do best to make money for a charitable cause
SkyeDS: it isn't like we're in it for a profit
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: just doesn't make any sense, and I don't know why anyone
would subject themselves to that year after year, but there are a
whole lot of people that participate in Eeyore's, so I guess they all
submitted themselves to this.
evile: I guess so.
SkyeDS: seems like a lot of work to do to contribute to charitable
causes.
evile: if you believe in your cause, you'll do a lot of work for it,
I guess.
SkyeDS: be easier to be charitable by taking Arthur and my hymnals to
nursing homes
evile: *nod*
evile: I just throw money at stuff and hope it goes away.
SkyeDS: I don't have money to throw at stuff. I give what resources
I do have. My resources are out of the ordinary, and so people don't
quite see it that way.
evile: My time is far far too valuable to spend on charity.
evile: I have an extra $20 or $50 every now and again to throw at
something, but I rarely have an evening or weekend free to spend time
on anything.
SkyeDS: you give whatever resource it is you have to give
SkyeDS: people understand $ as a resource
SkyeDS: they don't seem to understand time as a resource or effort
SkyeDS: people go where they are appreciated
SkyeDS: this woman we met Saturday was part of Jurgen and Kathleen's
Scottish Dancing class
evile: I could probably find or make time for something, but I
haven't found anything I'd want to....most charity things I believe
in just make me too sad to be around them.
SkyeDS: Jurgen wanted Scottish Dancing at his knighting and/or Andy's
coronation
evile: that would be cool.
SkyeDS: we offered but he wanted 15 hours or more of rehearsal and I
told him we couldn't do t hat
SkyeDS: so he needed one more person, and he enlisted this woman from
his class
SkyeDS: she drives out to the park, nobody meets her
evile: eeps
SkyeDS: Andy brushes her off, which isn't like Andy at all
SkyeDS: Kathleen and Jurgen go breezing right past her
SkyeDS: she sits in teh car during feast which is half over before
anyone thinks to go out and invite her to join feast
SkyeDS: and there were no thank yous at all
SkyeDS: and there were only 15 people at the event.
evile: wow. that's incredibly rude, even for HFS.
SkyeDS: I'm inclined to think there was shit going on, in general
SkyeDS: probably having to do with Alex Wadleigh the pedophile being
an officer
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: before the event that he was going to feastocrat, 60 emails
came in from people who refused to come
SkyeDS: but anyway
SkyeDS: people don't continue to offer to do nice things if you do
them that way
evile: yup
SkyeDS: I know there are divas out there that do nice things for the
glory it brings them personally
SkyeDS: as for me and mine, we do nice things because we like to
share what makes us happy, and see others made happy, and it makes
the children happy
SkyeDS: (and there were a whole lot of people when I was little that
shared their horses with me, that didn't have to)
evile: *nod*
SkyeDS: so it's not like we want all this masturbatory pat on the
back shit, but we aren't in it to have it flung back in our face
either
evile: exactly
SkyeDS: brb updating my trillian
